mullingitover

Are we going to end up in an arms race where our local records are defensively sprinkled with prompt injection/agent poisoning/tank_man.jpg?

In the eyes of the ruling class: it's a feature, not a bug.

If students in the public k-12 system were actually being taught critical thinking, the schools would be the targets of strategic bombing by the US military.

> Who puts a school next to a military base?

These days they’re calling themselves the “Department of War”

I dunno, I live in a neighborhood in LA without an HOA and it's great. Housing values have skyrocketed in the decade I've been here. There are a sprinkling of places that don't take great care of their yards: the bane of every Karen-filled HOA. This has done absolutely nothing to harm property values.

I would wager that the money residents might have paid for HOA fees have largely gone into their own home/yard improvements, and it shows. Adding an HOA in this place, and I think most places, would be a burden rather than a benefit.

Adding some context, that they were started out with pretty harmful intentions, to the discussion about how they are harmful today is very on topic.

> 80-90 years ago

Today's HOAs are very frequently involved in racial discrimination suits for violations of the Fair Housing Act.

You can’t drive it anywhere that manhole covers might exist, lest you destroy the car and/or turn the manhole cover into a deadly projectile.

*Third generation. They demo'd and took millions in deposits on the second generation roadster that never materialized.

A product reveal implies it's a production ready vehicle.

This was an air tank with a styrofoam shell held together with glue. It's a rough prototype of a concept car.

So this is a completely obvious scam, right? I don't see anyone else calling this out and I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

The thing that they showed off isn't something that they could legally sell, it would basically be a bomb. Also, the battery pack that would go in the car would be so large that they couldn't do the stunts they showed in their drone vehicle.

Are we not calling an obvious stock pumping charade what it is out of some sense of politeness?

Absolutely. It was a straight-up smash and grab operation, and everyone knows it.

It's important to frame these discussions in human terms. "Intellectual property" is a human invention and the rights associated with it are the results of negotiations between concerned parties. There was no negotiation with the training of the models, though. So no transaction happened, one group is profiting handsomely and whole classes of society which involuntarily had their labor taken are now being harmed.

There's no need to get it twisted, it's frankly quite black and white. The only question is how we'll ensure that the economics are corrected going forward to prevent further harm.

> My question (probably not original) is this: which biological neural network was not trained on copyrighted material from other artists? Which guitarist never listened to classic rock bands? Which painter never looked at Monet? Nearly all successful artists publicly recognize the influence of prior art on their development and style (and the rest are lying).

Those successful artists accessed their training data through legitimate means (please hold your 'well actually' replies about some artist using bittorrent here and there). They didn't all pirate, on a historic, industrial scale, every scrap of creative work that they saw in their lives. That's the key distinction.

> I think this is a terrible property of humans, this hyper-skepticism, and that it has nothing to do with logic, nor deduction, nor reality.

You're not wrong, but it's balanced out by this other terrible property of humans, which is hyper-credulity.

> Dario Amodei is a real person who has a family, a life, a profession.

I never said power was all he cares about, but in general I believe you are what you do. Amodeo could drop it all right now, today and spend the rest of his life with his family, or nose deep in the research project he's the most passionate about. He's not doing that, instead he's spending the remaining irreplaceable moments of his life pursuing the accumulation of power.