krenoten

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Comment · 5 years ago
In practice this is the source of a tremendous number of bugs when async tasks don't actually clean up shared state in their Drop impls.
Comment · 5 years ago
I haven't mentioned async Rust on HN since 2015.
Comment · 6 years ago
The best solution is to use a 0-copy format like flatbuffers, google's zerocopy library, or serde's borrow attributes https://serde.rs/lifetimes.html#borrowing-data-in-a-derived-...

You're totally right that data is meaningless without the ability to use it. This is something I've been thinking about a lot, because it involves a lot of trade-offs that definitely were not apparent to me before I started building this.

Ultimately, I do want to make it easy to write a Tree<K, V> on top of sled, but if I were to do it myself it would significantly reduce performance and impose restrictions on users that don't feel appropriate to me.

* Being a lock-free B+ tree, there are a ton of cool techniques we can use on bytes that would not apply to arbitrary K types. For instance, all keys stored in a tree node are prefix encoded by the node's low key. This allows very long keys with common prefixes to be very cheaply stored, which is useful for things like F1-like embedded tables. We also do key truncation, where when we do a node split, we chop off the bytes necessary to actually differentiate between one side and the other, which further reduces the size of the index. Prefix encoding and suffix truncation are the bread and butter of modern B+ tree implementations, and that would hurt a lot to walk away from.

* All K and V types must then be serializable and deserializable. In rust we represent this with traits that come from specific external libraries. serde took up half of the sled compilation time when it was being used, so I don't want to pull that back in as a mandatory requirement for all users. I could have my own traits for this, and if I do anything like this, it will be the approach I take, and then external crates will implement serde-sled etc... but by depending on external crates, it makes for a very brittle API surface that requires all users to target the exact same version of that external trait. The core must be self-consistent and not export any external types that would cause sharp dependency issues.

* I like the idea of caching values that are deserialized only once, to avoid repeated deserialization costs on hot items. Something like this may be implemented in sled, but I haven't figured out the best way to represent it without causing memory issues etc... And in the mean time I'm more tempted to just point people to the 3 solutions above that let them view their bytes as structured data without many deserialization costs.

Comment · 6 years ago
only narcs use windows for database workloads :P
Comment · 6 years ago
yeah, le-be conversions are not generally measurable above noise compared to other database-related work.

sled stores arbitrary bytes. endianness is the concern of the person who wants to store higher-level types than bytes, like integers. I do imagine having a story for letting people deserialize/view bytes once, and having that view sit in cache so that hot items are not repeatedly deserialized.

I agree with Adya's work " Fast key-value stores: An idea whose time has come and gone " https://research.google/pubs/pub48030/ where it makes the case that stateful systems should not have to pay repeated deserialization and network costs. I want sled to be well-situated for the world that we're headed into, where this view will become more prominent. This means caching deserialized data, better replication stories, and maybe nice helpers for distributed database authors that allow for atomic tree splits / merges and per-tree replication settings.

Comment · 6 years ago
On sled 0.31 the memory growth does not run away as with the earlier version. Note that some in-memory metadata tracking does accrue as nodes split and sled tracks where to find them in the future when the actual data is paged in. But this is still a fraction of data stored.

The important thing is that sled is not stable yet. Don't bet your business on databases less than 5 years old. Sled doesn't turn 5 for a few more months, and I'm ironing out a few issues still that relate to production readiness. For now, treat it as a cache, as a responsible SRE would treat any database younger than 5 years old.

Comment · 7 years ago
Just use a hashmap. Hashmaps in some cases can be like 8 orders of magnitude faster than Redis.
Comment · 7 years ago
I make a lot of money fixing problems in storage layers that these kinds of ideas create. Thanks :]
Comment · 8 years ago
There is zero reason behind this assumption.
Comment · 8 years ago
It means pay more attention to reliability than pop infrastructure and internet companies (who can offset poor reliability with human attention or intentionally deprioritize it to sell more support contacts) tend to put into these things. Specifically, exhaustive concurrency testing of lock-free algorithm interleavings via ptrace driven scheduling, model-based testing in combination with fault injection, ALICE-style file correctness testing, and for the various distributed modules that sit on top, network simulation combined with lineage driven fault injection. This is all very much a work in progress, and I'd love to work with more people on it!
Comment · 8 years ago
This was my interpretation as well. I'm going to compare a disk-backed bwtree with a disk-backed ART, both backed by the same pagecache, and maybe end up with an ART that scatters partial pages on disk, bwtree style. But I need to measure apples to apples on the metrics that matter for storage first. The pagecache is where most of the complexity is in my implementation, and it makes building different kinds of persistent structures on top of it pretty easy. docs.rs/pagecache
Comment · 8 years ago
Users can rely on sequential recovery. At some point I'll probably write a partial recovery tool that gives you all versions of all keys that are at all present anywhere in the readable file though, which won't be much work. Typical best practices encourage moving away from single disk reliance for particularly valuable data, but this library will also work on phones etc... So it is important to support people when a wide variety of things go wrong.
Comment · 8 years ago
Indeed. This is why I aggressively checksum everything and pay particular attention to throwing away all data that was written after any detected corruption during recovery. This is easier with the log-only architecture. It's also totally os and filesystem agnostic. I was happily surprised yesterday when it passed tests on fuchsia :]

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