justinmk

Go ahead, try it:

    # Make some edits, then exit vim (remember to exit).
    vim --clean +'set undofile' foo.txt

    # Edit the same file with non-vim; save the changes.
    nano foo.txt

    # Open the file again and try "u". Then post on bluesky about Vim's "duty of care".
    vim --clean +'set undofile' foo.txt

That extrapolation is missing the 1000s (thousands) of commits + person-years of work spent on maturing vim.lsp since those few weeks.

Hope to see you around again norcalli.

For most users that want LSP, or even just to try Nvim for 2 minutes to see what it can do, it's not acceptable that our intro docs have to say "go here or there to install this or that plugin manager, and read their docs, then come back...".

Being able to say "add vim.pack.add(http://...) to your config, then :restart", is a complete answer.

vim.pack is relatively tiny (low maintenance), and zero performance cost for users that don't use it. Not bloat.

It's the opposite of bloat, because it allows us to more often choose "runtime-dependencies", instead of "shipping the universe" in the default build. That's a very welcome "release valve".

- Example of "shipping the universe": Vim's 1000+ builtin syntax files, ftplugins, etc.

- Example of "runtime-dependencies": nvim-lspconfig, treesitter parsers.

> The only users who need to do that are the ones who have already found a plugin that they want to install,

You skipped some steps.

> automatic dependency management

None of the existing plugin managers do that, except luarocks.

    scoop install neovim

> Each user runs their own node completely independently. Everyone using Urbit OS owns their own identity and data. ... over an encrypted and authenticated network.

Interesting note about OS 1 in particular:

> One really critical thing about OS 1 is the pattern of ‘groups sharing modules’. This pattern makes it perfectly clear how a virtual computer can outcompete a bunch of different services. ... quickly outruns the messy, disconnected world we’re currently stuck in.

Do you have a primary source for that? This sounds like a cancel-culture rumor intended to attach negative ideas to a person in order to discredit them.