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so much of the early aughts small business and startups were people selling stuff and doing things out of ppls home. and not like the "startup industry" startups, actual startups

but aside from that, hosting a website or email server or newsgroup or game server with friends isnt necessarily hosting a business, not everything is a transactional relationship

yeah no, this isn't a good take imo. we already have way too much of ISPs doing bad things to internet shaping and random governmental overreach (from state govts no less!) on domains and such.

if someone wants to knowingly host a proxy they should. stuffing it along with other apps is shady and if LG wants to disallow those apps from their store than w/e but like we don't need governmental stuff encroaching on this stuff. if LG wants to do moderation on those apps than whatever.

there was a lot of fighting over this stuff back in the early 2010s because the alternative was effectively a balkanized corponet.

smart TVs, by virtue of being devices you can write apps for, have morphed into more general purpose computing devices and keeping it as open as it can be is important. the backsliding from stuff like Android has been horrible for the ecosystem and that shouldn't be normalized, let alone as a legal requirement geez

except we need ISPs to be treated as relatively neutral parties. we don't hold the water company liable if someone uses water to cook up meth

to be fair, i once accidentally ended up on shreddit or new reddit or whatever they call it nowadays and i think there's something for managing your posts on reddit and seeing analytics about that or whatever

> uncovering modern bot operations

this significantly overestimates how sophisticated the spam waves are compared to like ability. the 80% of spam filtering basically never was really done as far as i can tell.

> a thankless threadmill, and user engagement metrics from fake users are still user engagement metrics.

that's probably it tho

gallowboob in particular was an interesting case because he was very much a real person. and oh hell did a subreddit I mod know that way all too well

i think the guy had a like a keyword alert on his username because like one of my co-mods on a subreddit would talk about the guy and then we'd get reports for "It's targeted harassment against me" (which are reports that are sent to the admins) like a few hours later. much to the dismay of him, we had a chat with the admins later and it was like "as long as you're not saying to do vote manipulate or harass the guy it's fine."

i think a lot of it came from the fact that so like if you're modding a subreddit, a lot of people spend their time in the modqueue view rather than the comments so you see the targeted harassment reports on "xyz is a meanie head" and just click "remove" because it already is on the edge at best for most subreddits. this is how context gets lost. so people would see "unfavorable treatment" (not that it didn't happen, gallowboob's company's domain was soft-banned on reddit yet his subreddits had automod rules set to approve them) when if more people were as trigger happy on the report button a similar thing would happen

the admin problems with this are much worse because the comments tend to be looked at in isolation so saying "i'm gonna kill you", in isolation, looks without context pretty bad, but might be part of a joke chain or song meme that reddit likes to do every so often. take into account the fact that admins get whiny sometimes if your AEO removals are too high. then take into account the AEO guy's Tarot card reading and whether Mercury is in retrograde and you get a lot of mods who are a bit trigger happy, esp when people've gotten banned for approving stuff the AEO removed for dumb reasons

this somewhat led to a bit of an inflated ego with regards to reddit but eventually from what i see he left... at least under that username anyway.

"model" or "service" would be the term.

basically the point is that it's not protected because it doesn't fall under any classification of IP (it's not copyright or patent since it's mathematical outputs of a mechanical system, it's not trademark because obvious, and it's not a trade secret because it's not a secret)

ya it really is. it's the new name (where new is relative to like 10 years) for Trust & Safety.

the Unidan incident?

iirc it only got noticed at the time because of an argument between him and Ecka6 which led to the somewhat famous "here's the thing you said a jackdaw is a crow" copypasta

> their IP

it's not IP, and it's certainly not their IP

> the TOS

oh no, the terms of service how dare people break those. you don't get to claim fair use while CFAAing everyone's actual IP then whine about the tos, and then when called out on spying on users point to it as if it being in the tos somehow justifies it

a lot of other malware has a tos too but we still call it for what it is

now generally available after 15 days from the breathless "omg we're spooked" posts

its not copyright maximalism. people just see the obvious hypocrisy. a lot of people are also fine with some copyright

in a lot of cases, the leaders of the communities are not following the rules. (see the ppl talking about ndas and such)

in any case, this isn't like "oh we don't want to build an apartment building because it might drop the value of a single family home halfway across town."

it isn't even like "we want to build this train line which will have some negative externalities but the positive effects (and externalities) are worth taking a hit in some areas"

the problems with the datacenters are that like (1) the service its providing (LLMs) has dubious societal value, (2) the direct negative effects such as noise pollution and such have been pretty well documented, (3) the indirect negative effects like massive strain on infra and (4) the people pushing them most heavily are effectively attempting to invade the communities, peddle conspiracy theories about "china" being behind the opposition, and demand to be specially treated because they were bankrolled by big tech, etc.

some people when this topic come up act like anyone opposed is some nimby who hates societal progress or smth and who is super concerned about that their home estimate might go down. but like communities do recognize the need for zoning and restricting certain things being built.

you need the thing being built to both (a) actually be a good that helps the community (or have a very very good reason why some damage to the community is justifiable (datacenter projects generally don't) and (b) need to contain negative externalities (which is why we don't put the chemical plant next to the elementary school even if it's the most economic option). people recognize these things on some level.

> i.e. if the maintainer is serious enough to buy stars, is not in theory likely to spend time /money in maintaining /improving the project also ?.

i mean if maintainers clearly spend much more time and effort on fraud than actually improving the project, why should I at all believe they would, let alone trust their judgement with regards to other things such as technical choices for example

i mean ofc but like you can self-host pypi and the "Docker Hub" model isn't like VC-expected level returns especially as ECR and GHCR and the other repos exist