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The implication is not that people learned this skill from the SAT, but rather that not requiring it to score well on the SAT further lowers the baseline.

For the love of all things holy, can we not do these kinds of experiments on the same planet we live on?

This is impressive. This kind of migration is super easy to mess up, especially doing it in-place like this.

Right? I find submissions titles like this so frustrating: it's simply not possible to be aware of every project out there. Please, please provide me some context in the title. This would be way better with a title something like "ISC releases KEA DHCP server 3.0 as LTS"

I'm just a community mod, not a dev on the project, so take this with a grain of salt:

I believe the intent is that you get bidirectional selective sync between your terminal and the docs, so that if what's in the docs is out of date or wrong, then whatever you did to actually fix things can be synced back to the docs to reduce the friction of keeping the docs updated.

My experience with runbooks has been:

- I am on a team that oversees a bunch of stuff, some of which I am very hands-on with and comfortable with, and some of which I am vaguely aware exists, but rarely touch

- X, a member of the latter category, breaks

- Everyone who actually knows about X is on vacation/dead/in a meeting

- Fortunately, there is a document that explains what to do in this situation

- It is somehow both obsolete and wrong, a true miracle of bad info

So that is the problem this is trying to solve.

Having discussed this with the creator some[1], the intent here (as I understand it) is to build something like a cross between Jupyter Notebooks and Ansible Tower: documentation, scripts, and metrics that all live next to each other in a way that makes it easier to know what's wrong, how to fix it, and if the fix worked

[1]Disclosure: I help mod the atuin Discord

Using the arrow keys to navigate the current input is well supported on most modern terminals, and has been for most of my adult life. If this isn't working properly in your terminal, then I'd recommend experimenting with the various settings available to you.

Some terminals also support mouse navigation, so keep an eye out for that as well.

I'm sorry that you've been dealing with this frustration for so long and under the impression that it was just supposed to be that way and not fixable. The good news is that it's NOT supposed to be that frustrating and you CAN fix it

Edit: you edited your comment somewhere between my first seeing it and my reply posting. I haven't had to modify the default settings on my terminal to fix things like this in about 20 years. I've changed them to tweak various preferences like scrollback, cursor shape/size, etc. But arrow navigation has worked out of the box for me for so long that I literally can't remember when I last had to fix it. I don't know why our experiences have been so different, but I'm sorry that a tool that has been so useful for me has been so frustrating for you.

Ok, thanks, this is exactly what I needed. I'm apparently too much of a casual user here because I don't even recognize minimaxir as a username. So that's gotta be the disconnect for me: all the usual tactics apply, they're just less obvious to me because I'm not engaged enough.

I appreciate you taking the time to respond thoroughly. Thanks!

Edit: it occurred to me that another potential reason that the tactics used to monetize karma farming on HN may be less obvious to me than on other platforms is because here, the tactics are more specifically designed to target me

Sorry, I don't understand the point you're making here. Are you saying that karma farming on HN leads to successful IPOs? Or are you saying that karma farming in general can be profitable? Because both of those are what I was trying to speak to when I said that I feel like there are much softer targets than HN: it seems much easier to me to profit from karma farming on other platforms than it would be here. Maybe I'm just not engaged enough and/or naive, but I don't think of even high-karma users on HN as being Influencers. Like, I don't see myself spending money on something specifically because tptacek endorsed it.

On Instagram, it makes sense to me:

1. I farm for likes and karma

2. I start endorsing low value crap from whatever fad is trending this hour

3. Profit

On HN, I have no idea what step 2 is: what is the middle step between farming and profit that doesn't involve, like, founding a startup? What's the specific tactic on this platform?

Ok, but to what end? Is there some karma-to-dollars pipeline that I don't know about? There a bunch of other platforms that superficially seem like much softer targets with more obvious payoffs.

Like, if we put it in the classic context of

1. Farm Karma

2. ?

3. Profit!

I'm not clear on step 2. What's step 2

And of course that pre-supposes malice (or at least greed), which is in violation of Hanlon's Razor.

Right, but that was the exact nature of the attack: it's a small commit that doesn't look like it needs a lot of scrutiny. Like, I get that you meant "it wouldn't take much scrutiny to find this" but I mean "it doesn't look like it needs to be scrutinized". Especially because, as mentioned in the first comment of the investigation, the change to an unsafe behavior is deliberately obscured by the formatting of the diff.

It's like Where's Wal(do|ly): once you know where to look, it's obvious, but if you don't even know you're supposed to be looking for it, you may never find it

The malicious commit was designed to be confusing, as noted in the first comment of the investigation:

> but calls to safe_fprintf were replaced with calls to the unsafe fprintf. The diff doesn't make this obvious due to the removal of a newline in a parameter list.

It wasn't noticed because it was specifically designed not to be obvious.

Thanks for weighing in! But this is just speculation, right? Are you speaking from experience? I'm specifically looking for someone who does it to explain it.

I mean, I can make my own guesses about various forms of attention seeking and hopes to somehow cash in on high karma all day long but, to me it feels like HN is among the worst possible venues for that. I'm not aware of easy ways to convert HN karma into cash flow like you maybe could with followers on other platforms. So I don't immediately see a benefit in just farming karma for its own sake.

Is there some benefit to karma farming I'm not aware of? Like, some points-to-dollars conversion stream that I'm not in the loop on?

Interesting! But this sounds like an explanation why you read the comments without reading the article, not why you comment without reading, and those aren't inherently the same thing.

So to clarify: do you comment on the content of the post without reading it? I'm specifically interested in why people comment on links and articles they didn't read. And for maximum clarity here, I mean commenting on the content of the article, not just contributing to the various related discussions it spawns.

And to reiterate, I'm asking in earnest. It's not something I would do, so I'd like someone who does to weigh in.