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Other differences include our further work to clarify the phemomenon, including the creation of "echoes" to explore the coherence of the system (see my other comments) among other new contributions about the parameter space and behavior of the effect. Finally, it's just surprising to have observed this effect across so many systems which are all so different from each other (very different Hamiltonians).
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16999031
The idea of a ground state time crystal was shown to be impossible, which led to the proposals for a non-equilibrium time crystal, connecting the idea (serendipitously) to the research that was already taking place in non-equilibrium systems by condensed matter physicists.
While we do think that each of the 4 existing experiments on discrete time crystals are showing the same effect, we're not yet sure how these observed "signatures of DTC order" will be eventually interpreted relative to the original idea of the time crystal (hence our conservatively named papers/descriptions). Sean's lab used subtleties of complex pulse systems to enable high-resolution MRI imaging in solids like bone (!), and we're pretty sure (not certain) that there's a connection between some of the effects related to those pulse sequences, and what we're now observing in these "DTC signatures"... that's what got us looking at these non-equilibrium ideas originally, and we're pursuing the possible connection.
The proposed signature of a "discrete time crystal" was to observe the magnetization point up-down-up-down-... even when you used e.g. 181 degree rotations, if you allow dipole-dipole interactions to act for long enough between rotations. This is what we observe: "wrapped" magnetization when we use imperfect rotations with short nuclear spin interaction times, then locked up-down-up-down-... magnetization when we use imperfect rotations with longer nuclear spin interaction times.
A last subtelty when comparing to traditional oscillating systems is that the response is not at the same frequency as the drive, but will have a period determined by both the drive period T and the symmetry of the dipole interactions. Our system's interactions have 2 symmetric states, so the response period is at 2T. Other systems have other symmetries; for instance, the research team at Harvard showed oscillations at 3T using a spin system with different interaction symmetries.
However, for applications, one could imagine a packaged system+driving apparatus with potentially useful properties... but that is just speculation on my part.
We're working on understanding possible applications now, and we also wonder whether this is a more commonly available phenomenon than originally thought. As experimentalists, we're very conservative in our claims -- for instance, we explain our observation of the "DTC signature" specifically proposed by theorists, without making claims as to the final interpretation of the results for the existing theory. Instead, our job is to very clearly explain what we did and what resulted, and then we get to see (and in some ways participate in) how the broader condensed matter community comes to understand the phenomena. It's an exciting position to be in, there are still many interesting unknowns!
See also the reply here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16996766
It was shown after the original proposal in 2012 that these signatures can only be observed in "non-equilibrium" systems, so we are actually supplying the pulses, which drive the ticking. The quantum basis for the robust frequency of the ticking relies on dipole-dipole interactions among the nuclear spins.
It is very difficult to understand the complex state of the system after many of these interactions, but in our papers we explore how "coherent" the interactions are by "resurrecting" the signal in what are called spin echoes [1]. Simply speaking, after many interactions the "order" of the system lies not in the nuclear spins individually, but in a complex network of interactions among the spins -- this complex order is not observable (and so the signal appears to "decay away" over time).
Using techniques developed in nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR), we are able to put this "order" back into an observable state, and watch it return. It feels like reversing time, I never get used to it!
However, it is a seemingly miraculous trick of spin systems that we are able to use pulses to effectively reverse the time evolution of the system and produce echoes. When looking at one new pulse sequence which had many pulses, the discoverer of the spin echo (Erwin Hahn) said "With that many pulses I could bring back the Messiah!" [1].
[1, PDF] https://pines.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/publications/...
It is very difficult to understand the complex state of the system after many of these interactions, but in our papers we explore how "coherent" the interactions are by "resurrecting" the signal in what are called spin echoes [1]. Simply speaking, after many interactions the "order" of the system lies not in the nuclear spins individually, but in a complex network of interactions among the spins -- this complex order is not observable (and so the signal appears to "decay away" over time).
Using techniques developed in nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR), we are able to put this "order" back into an observable state, and watch it return. It feels like reversing time, I never get used to it!
Sometimes physicists think of phase transitions in terms of "symmetry breaking." Imagine zooming in very close on the molecules in a glass of liquid water, all tumbling quickly into and out of your field of view. The situation is highly "symmetric": if you closed your eyes and I shifted the field of view slightly to the left, you wouldn't know what I'd done when you opened your eyes again.
Now suppose the water freezes into a crystal of ice, so that the molecules are arranged on a regular lattice. If I repeat my "shift-slightly-to-the-left" experiment, you'd be able to tell I moved things. That is, somehow the molecules chose a particular location for the lattice, even though any other location of the lattice could have done just as well. In jargon, we say the water "spontaneously broke the continuous translational symmetry": the defining equations of motion are agnostic about the particular location in space, but the state of the system chose a location anyways.
In our experiment, we do something similar in time rather than space. We drive the system with pulses once every time period "T", so the equations of motion are identical under this "discrete" shift in time. However, the state of the system (in our case, the direction of the nuclear magnetization) only goes back to itself every time 2T, and so "breaks discrete time translational symmetry."
There is one more important feature of the observed signature in this analogy: if you nudge an atom that is in a crystal lattice, it will want to return to its original position. Similarly, the period of the magnetization's direction-reversal is robust to our pulse imperfections, if we allow the quantum interactions long enough to act. So, the "region" of parameter space where you can observe this effect is not confined to perfectly ideal pulses, but is instead robust to our pulse imperfections -- the "robustness" depends on the amount of time we allow the nuclear spin interactions to take place.
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I hope this helps. I recommend the synopses available at prl.aps.org, and searching for the PDF preprints on the Arxiv (not yet quite as good as the published versions), if you don't have Physical Review access.
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[Edit for links]
[2012 overview] https://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/116
[2013 overview] https://physics.aps.org/articles/v6/31
[2013 quanta mag.] https://www.quantamagazine.org/perpetual-motion-test-could-a...
[2017 overviews: "recipe" and first two results]
https://physics.aps.org/articles/v10/5
https://www.nature.com/news/the-quest-to-crystallize-time-1....
[2018 announcement] https://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.120...
[A different background by (the great) Natalie Wolchover of Quanta Mag., which provides context for the original thrust of one branch of this research. Our first significant involvement was after a talk about "Time Translational Symmetry Breaking" by Chetan Nayak of Microsoft's Station Q.]
https://www.quantamagazine.org/physicists-aim-to-classify-al...
My Lecturio lectures, Physics for the MCAT: http://partnerprogramm.lecturio.de/go.cgi?pid=307&wmid=cc&cpid=1&target=https://www.lecturio.com/?pid=307