jack9
Joined 14 years ago
Joined 14 years ago
For most mammals, everything is so similar...including responses to stimuli like light, sound, temperature, pain, pleasure, even predictive behavior (knowing when they have done something to provoke a human response) that the same principle leads me to believe it's likely they have a very similar experience.
Why you decided that was a claim is your own bias talking. I was pointing out the relevant section. You've tried to raise something that isn't the issue, nor is it a sensible question as you undoubtedly realized (But even so).
Every human in an experiment is a human subject. Glad we got that out of the way.
The issue is what an IRB is looking for in evaluating the ethical feasibility of an experiment.
> Experimenting on unwitting subjects is unethical
> I had hoped that by now that would be something that didn't need stating and restating.
That's because it's your opinion. Seriously, go tell your local Target or College Bookstore to stop playing with the wall colors because there is no disclosure AND they make money off of it.
Fountain soda ph6.5 to ph8.5 and is a suspension
The differences are stark.
I see this repeated, but arguments like "You don't get to secretly do things to your subjects." are not sufficient nor is "it's arguably the most important software on the planet". These viewpoints are not agreed upon or codified anywhere that would affect an IRB decision.
"human subjects" qualification -> https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/center-drug-evaluation-and-res... (et al sources)
The notable history of outrage in some communities (did this make the evening news anywhere?) that has been created, may influence future decisions, at best.
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Someone will always be apologizing wrong for some. Some interpretation of what harm there was, is not necessarily the same as my interpretation. There are too many ways to construe what harm there was or may have been according to others to satisfy everyone addressed. This is an efficient wording that doesn't explicitly satisfy your (and many people's) specific issues out of "the community", which illustrates the point.
I think you have a flawed set of beliefs. Good luck with whatever.
That was unfortunate, but incidental. Larger companies certainly can do the cost-benefit analysis that cancels out those losses if they plan on being around in 10 years.