irisgrunn
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Comment · 1 year ago
Comment · 1 year ago
I posted one of the better critiques (by Yale) already in the parent comment you're reacting to
Comment · 1 year ago
For example how it cites the cass report that's been debunked quite a few times already
Comment · 1 year ago
Why not? What's not reversible about them?
Comment · 1 year ago
Why wouldn't puberty blockers be reversible?
What's dubious about that peer reviewed study ?
Who's talking about males? Trans woman on HRT are not male, all biological processes in their bodies change because off the hormones
Comment · 1 year ago
So is that "critique"
Comment · 1 year ago
Yes because it has no real life consequences like https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-024-01979-5.epdf or https://goodlawproject.org/rise-of-deaths-young-trans-people...
Comment · 1 year ago
If you don't allow for proper treatment like social transitioning and puberty blockers, they can't be themselves and therefore they can't exist.
Next to this there's also risk of those kids committing suicide because they can't get proper treatment, which is only getting worse with all the anti-trans laws. See https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-024-01979-5.epdf
Comment · 1 year ago
> As far as I can tell, you linked to abstracts for a paywalled academic papers.
Just scroll down, no paywall.
> The point is about the objective fact of what the kids want. Your moral judgement of what should be done as a result, is irrelevant to that.
This has nothing to do with my moral judgment. If a kid gets diagnosed with gender-dysphoria, they should get proper treatment. Social transition in combination with puberty blockers are the known effective treatment.
Not sure about the US, but here gender-dysphoria in children has to be diagnosed by a team of professionals that aren't allowed to steer them in any way.
Comment · 1 year ago
> I see nothing in your links that supports those conclusions.
I'd start with chapter 5.2.1.7 go from there.
> but this too is a complex topic (see e.g. https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/09/08/acc-entry-should-trans... ).
You can either force a trans kid to develop the wrong kind of secondary sex characteristics. With all trauma and painful corrective procedures that will follow later in life, or you can let them take a pill a day which will halt it until they're old enough to make that decision. That really doesn't seem difficult to me.
> Also, the link you're responding to isn't a "study", but rather a position document from the NHS
I know but it's still based on the cass report, which claims to be a study.
Comment · 1 year ago
According to this way more recent study they are totally reversible: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0929693X2...
And this one says the same: https://academic.oup.com/jsm/article/20/3/398/7005631
And then there's article from Yale that actually disproves the cass report where the NHS guidelines are based on: https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/integrity...
> I have nothing against trans people, but many people draw the line when it comes to kids.
Except when those children happen to be trans, that case they're not allowed to exist or be mutilated for life, even though it's easily preventable
Comment · 2 years ago
And this is the major problem. People will blindly trust the output of AI because it appears to be amazing, this is how mistakes slip in. It might not be a big deal with the app you're working on, but in a banking app or medical equipment this can have a huge impact.
Comment · 2 years ago
Probably.
However impressive LLMs are, they're not AGI.
For example this morning even, I was working together with a coworker and he used ChatGPT to ask for some examples. Unfortunately they didn't work, after reading the actual documentation it turned out that the structure had to be slightly different.
This is the impression I get from everything that has been generated with "AI", on the face it looks great, but as soon as you start going into detail it's not right or just plainly wrong. The generated code had six fingers. They might be able to improve this eventually but I don't think it will ever be fixed because of the nature of LLMs.
Height is based on genetics, not puberty (again, see the paper I linked)
Vocal changes aren't affected at all, they will change as soon as an Testosterone based puberty is started. This is why trans man have low voices too.