imanaccount247
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Comment · 12 years ago
Comment · 12 years ago
I am suggesting that your confidence is misplaced. Having little experience in something means you should have little confidence in your knowledge of that thing.
Comment · 12 years ago
>Links or it didn't happen.
To what? I'm supposed to link you to reality? How about since haskell is a general purpose, turing complete language, you demonstrate that there's some magical reason that it can only be used for "pure math problems" and nobody can be productive in it doing "real work". Why should a random nonsense claim be given the standing of fact and need to be disproved?
>friends (I know, it may be biased)
That's why I asked if it was true in your heart. Lots of people say things they think sound reasonable and believable based on other third hand information, but which are in fact made up. I have a very hard time believing you have so many friends into haskell and unable to write programs in it. Especially after teaching a bunch of PHP people who had never heard of functional programming (and half had never heard of types!) haskell in a few short lessons. Either your friends are some crazy statistical anomaly, or my developers are. Or perhaps your friends are apocryphal.
>GitHub codes I use
"I don't use anything written in haskell so you can't write anything practical in it" is a pretty poor argument.
>I encounter mostly language-oriented
Where are you encountering them? And are you sure you aren't just misinterpreting "practical" blog posts as "academic" because they mention something you don't want to hear like monads? Even most things I would assume you classify as "language-oriented" are still about solving practical problems.
http://ro-che.info/articles/2014-12-26-monad-control-type-sy...
That might sound scary to people who don't know haskell, but it is about solving a common issue with web development (and other server type programming) in a nice reusable library. Do you really think there's tens of thousands of people just sitting around writing haskell code that does nothing for no reason?
Comment · 12 years ago
>but setting it up in any distro is also never more than one command away, unlike the other languages mentioned.
No, exactly like the other languages mentioned. If you are seriously going to try to pretend installing python or ruby or perl is harder than installing PHP then you can't expect anyone to react as if you are being serious and genuine.
>I can't even find a tutorial on how to run Ruby under FastCGI
That sounds like a serious problem. I would suggest looking for a local "introduction to computers" type class. They tend to teach basic usage of windows and the web, including how to use google to search for things. I think it would help you a lot.
>and RoR appears to be the de facto way to run Ruby websites
While I'm sure the rails guys must be flattered, I don't know how you got that appearance. There's a whole bunch of frameworks, just like with PHP. And you don't need to use any of them, just like with PHP. But of course, you know all this and are just trolling.
Comment · 12 years ago
>Haskell is one of those languages for people who want to show off how clever they are
Yes, that's what banks are most known for. Showing off how clever they are and not doing anything useful. Facebook and google certainly fit that profile as well right?
Comment · 12 years ago
>Does Perl, Python or Ruby have built-in automatic escaping and sanitization?
No, of course not. That's very much the point. PHP's broken attempt at that created security holes.
>On top of that all three of those languages require additional setup
No they don't. It is just that someone else has already done the setup for you with PHP at most cheapo hosting companies. Installing python is no harder than installing PHP.
>(Especially Ruby with RoR shudder)
You are comparing a framework to a language. Rails is no harder to setup than any of the PHP frameworks like zend or symfony.
Comment · 12 years ago
>I know a lot of people encharmed by it, but no-one productive (i.e. delivering products quickly; it's not the same as solving pure, mathematical problems).
Is this actually true, or is it "true in your heart"? Very few people use haskell for solving "pure mathematical problems". People use it for things like developing the fastest microkernel in existence, doing high volume trading, making games, and writing boring old web apps. References to "pure mathematical problems" and implying nobody is actually doing anything with haskell come off as sounding like second (or third, or fourth) hand FUD. We taught our PHP team haskell. They had their first project in production in three months. There's nothing special about math and haskell.
Comment · 12 years ago
PHP is the standard bearer for the expert beginner. People write something that seems to be working quite quickly, so they feel they "get it" and know what they are doing. And then they stagnate and stay like that for 5, 10, 15 years even and never learn more. And then when presented with things they don't know, they resort to anti-intellectual rhetoric and trying to convince themselves that those things are "just a different way of doing it but no better than how I do it" and stay there in their rut forever thinking themselves an expert.
Comment · 12 years ago
>I just don't find Haskell ... to be as productive as many would suggest
>I have ... very little experience with Haskell
So, how would you know?
No it isn't. It is very bad at it. It just uses the most primitive event loop and foists all the complexity of that onto you as the developer using it.