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Comment · 2 months ago

It's unfortunate but understandable that the stuff which is most different from other programming environments grabs attention and the basic stuff is hardly mentioned.

> break it irreversibly

Nope. "Cuis-Smalltalk records any action occurring in the environment: the code you edit in the System Browser, the code you execute in a Workspace. Therefore, in the event of a Cuis-Smalltalk crash you can restore unsaved changes when you launch the same Cuis-Smalltalk image again."

https://drcuis.github.io/TheCuisBook/The-Change-Log.html

> bespoke and unreproducible

So there have been all manner of ways to save code changes as plain text in files (or other formats in databases).

https://drcuis.github.io/TheCuisBook/The-Change-Set.html

https://drcuis.github.io/TheCuisBook/The-Package.html

Comment · 2 months ago

For example:

https://drcuis.github.io/TheCuisBook/The-Change-Log.html

Comment · 3 months ago

Back in the day those were not unusual costs for programming tools. (Beer wasn't free.)

Comment · 3 months ago

Java being free-as-in-beer.

Comment · 3 months ago

March 7, 1988 — "Smalltalk/V 286 is available now and costs $199.95, the company said. Registered users of Digitalk's Smalltalk/V can upgrade for $75 until June 1."

https://books.google.com/books?id=CD8EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA25&dq=d...

September 1991 — "Smalltalk/V code is portable between the Windows and the OS/2 versions. And the resulting application carries no runtime charges. All for just $499.95."

(Advert on the last page of "The Smalltalk Report")

https://rmod-files.lille.inria.fr/Archives/TheSmalltalkRepor...

Comment · 3 months ago

> You can not combine two (or more) images.

Depends what you mean. Details matter.

> You can not build new things by using "images" as components.

Depends what you mean. Details matter.

Comment · 3 months ago

== Long-ago, Smalltalk systems could be file-copied from say win to mac to unices and would just work.

== Not standardized. Language vendors used proprietary code to lock-in customers and that fragmented the skills base. Skilled Smalltalk-A programmers were not-so-skilled with Smalltalk-B.

== Not free as in beer.

Comment · 4 months ago

By design, the 8 year old page you linked presented Lisp measurements side-by-side against Java measurements (by excluding the other programs).

There's overlap across most of the different language implementations: