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I'm confused. Who would be performing distillation? Surely someone for whom distillation is valuable has enough money not to resort to this sort of crime?

Account farming is one thing, and nobody apart from who's being distilled cares about that, but draining wallets of other people is a whole other thing.

> today paying this debt is getting cheaper and cheaper.

Like before AI, that debt is never going to get paid. Because how exactly are you paying off that debt when the means of paying are debt generators?

And even if you do know how to use the model and the harness, Claude is just generally still a much a better experience overall.

Returned to Claude as my main driver after many months of Codex and my frustration index is in much, much better place. I can't recommend Codex/GPT to anyone, not just normies. It does make for a really nice reviewer though.

Looks like they finally got the solution. Now they won't cause an error at 64k tokens anymore:

> expanding the model’s output token limit to an industry-leading 1M tokens, up from the previous 64K tokens

You could only use it on chatgpt.com

Now you can use it in coding harnesses that call the API.

> People said the same about $200 a month

This is missing an important context. And I actually remember this well, because I was saying that too. And the reason I was saying is that $200 plan didn't come with API usage, it was a chat plan.

It made no sense up until they started including API usage. Just as $500 makes no sense now.

> costs going to 10% of white collar income.

There's a permanent and ever lowering ceiling maintained by open weight models. It makes no sense to justify paying 10% of income permanently for something that will get you unlimited local inference for a 6 month subscription cost.

Interesting thing is that I would have expected Anthropic to do the price hike on the basis that their models are so much better right now. But it's more likely that OAI will have to backtrack regardless of what ANT does. Interesting times ahead.

If ANT does the price hike, OAI will be forced to backtrack because they're just not equal, OAI is behind. ANT would still be a much better value overall, and people will remember that it was OAI that made their ANT subscription more expensive. So the hiatus will happen. There's a lot of users that have $200 plans on both ANT and OAI. $500 leaves the slot for just 1 sub for them.

But I think the price hike is not going to happen. $500 is much, much harder to justify than $200 for the same usage. This is a horrible business decision, so Anthropic may just watch OAI bleed customers.

Yes, either US AI corps reduce the cost of their top tier personal subscriptions down to what people are already paying for other expensive personal apps (e.g. Adobe), so ~$50-100, or open weights are going to eat their lunch very quickly. We're not there yet, as current hardware doesn't allow you to do things like multiple parallel agents, but we'll get there soon enough.

$500 for the old $200 is definitely a fumble.

Yeah, that's not going to happen. They are more likely to lose a lot of customers, unless Anthropic does the same thing.

But $200 is likely the ceiling of what people will pay for a subscription with usage based on vibes.

This day may go down in history as one of the worst in OpenAI's history. It's so bad it's funny.

OpenAI announced they built clones of apps that already exist, codex for normal people, and 2.5x price increase for the product that is already getting decimated by competition.

What is happening at OpenAI?

I can't imagine OpenAI not backtracking this unless Anthropic does the price hike too.

So essentially, another attempt at giving codex to regular people.

Yeah, Anthropic's marketing is shady. But x of y doesn't really give me any information. I have no clue what 1x is on a given day with either OpenAI or Anthropic.

In the end, the only thing that ultimately matters is how much total value are you getting each week. And Anthropic has been dominating OpenAI here for the past 2 months. Even with that 20x-but-really-2x thing.

Codex $200 usage was already lower than $200 of Claude for around 2 months now. Half of that means that subscription is not really worth it unless you max things out all the time. But if you're going to go with API rates, there are better priced options out there than whatever OpenAI provides.

This is a risky strategy for OpenAI, and time will tell how will this work. But my hunch is that this is a catastrophic blunder.

I was listening to Dario's podcast where he was talking about how the entire game is in predicting extremely well how much compute you buy in advance, and if you miscalculate, it's pretty much over.

Looks like OpenAI miscalculated.

> This is not how people write!

While I agree with you that this is likely AI assisted, I think this may be changing now.

People speak in the manner of what they consume. If you consume a lot of claudish, you will eventually start talking claudish too. And I've already noticed people talking claudish in real life.

You can't work on anything in an organization as large as, and with as many eyes on as OpenAI/Anthropic without it becoming publicly known very quickly.