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(in before "oh no! what if they steal your stuff! what if they leave your wife and kids with nothing and steal your money" i have two answers to that, get better friends of course is the main one. but the second one is that reason our mind goes in that direction is because there's been a lot of moral stories written, bulk of them in victorian times, of wives left destitute because of unscrupulous associates. those stories make for nice drama, and they are also warnings for individuals and society in general. you gotta trust someone, better be people i knew for a long time, rather than some random consultant from reddit, or a geek squad member)
the op link though is about solar installations approaching their lifetime, which means contracts from 10-20 years ago. i'd like to point out that you started with a very strong statement ("in practice not true"), which was then variously hedged. more importantly the fact that in practice the mitigations have manifested ("repowering is a windfall") doesn't after the fact negate that the initial contracts were exploitative. in my experience simply verbalizing and pricing various hidden factors (i used Shannon L. Ferrell's "understanding solar energy agreements" as starting point), decomissioning being one of them but other points in ferrell also played a role, or even just developing a rudimentary payments schedule, ended up strongly discouraging land owners (and smh als the solar representatives). i'm glad that we're having this dialogue though, because i'm sure there was no malicious intent behind those omittions, and solar industry has become significantly more transparent since.
cleanup specifically is a huge part, because it's an externalized cost burdened on the land owner. bringing up the necessity of documented cleanup strategy in the contract pretty much immediately leads to the solar company withdrawing its proposal (in fact only one company even bothered to politely say no, everyone else just ghosted).
elsewhere in comments people are saying "well panels still work at 50% capacity, so why even dismount", but that's not how it works. the entire installation is leased and operated by the third party, the owners typically have neither expertise nor the ability to continue operating an industrial site past the lifetime of a contract, or past its operational lifetime for that matter. a lot of these installations exploit the old age and the effective poverty of the site owners (those 100 acres are a low-liquidity asset, while the industry they supported is no longer there due to aging population and regulatory changes), the companies despite the good cause they are attached to seem to be interested purely in short term gains, the contracts are all about externalizing as much cost as possible, the installed equipment is presumably all treated as write off (i sort of wonder how subsidies factor into this, i suspect that they are significantly enabling this kind of behavior).
american socioeconomic model somehow managed to take a wonderful future looking thing and turn it (at least in some instances, but also every single one i had to deal with) into a scorched earth, after après moi, le déluge thing. recyclers will possibly improve the situation, at least for the people who are already locked into financially disadvantageous contracts, but that really depends on how much deinstallation they'll be willing to take up.
i really don't know how to contextualize that experience. i'm glad i was part of it, but like a lot of things immediately pre-pervasive digitalization, i feel like it will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
so if you think vvvv is not propertly marketed, maybe will benefit from a mission statement, then it's not for you.
if you read documents from that era, the code that they write is wildly alien, because present day programming wasn't invented yet. things that you take for granted just didn't exist. common lisp and to a lesser extent scheme carry all that baggage for backwards compatibility.
so when lisp came out, it didn't have LET, and LET didn't appear until mid 70s. and it was added as a convenience macro for ((lambda (VAR1 VAR2 ...) ...) FORM1 FORM2 ...), which is how people did dynamic binding (also called lambda-binding) for a decade prior. evolution of lisp claims that LET came from lisp machine lisp, but people were independently inventing it all over the place, as a custom macro. depending on how your lambdas were evaluated or how your LET macro was written, you're not just assigning VARs simultaneously, you might not even have a guarantee of the order of evaluation of FORMs. but it got its job done, which is according to revised scheme manual "allowing the forms for the quantities to appear textually adjacent to their corresponding variables". this was a novel convenience at some point!
LET* was invented after LET as a convenience for LET, because sequential binding was even more convenient than binding in general. it would've made sense to then make LET* the "default" of some sort, but the subtle distinction stuck for reasons of legacy code, writing conventions, acquired preferences, and then it got crystalized and preserved for posterity in the common lisp standard.