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Comment · 4 years ago
Because bitcoin is money, and shitcoins are not.
Comment · 4 years ago
The network effect, the Lindy effect, and the Schelling point. If you wanted to learn about these concepts, what is the first thing you would do? :P
Comment · 4 years ago
How is this newsworthy and why is it on the front page of HN?
Comment · 6 years ago
Fuck that.

So many better things to do or think about on your time off. Read a good book. Climb a mountain. Hang out with friends/family. You know, live.

Comment · 8 years ago
cough Bitcoin! cough
Comment · 8 years ago
Another positive step in the demise of the traditional banking system.
Comment · 8 years ago
Comment · 8 years ago
The second half is important too: that the expected profits are from the efforts of the promoter. In other words if a company is doing work of some kind, and they are selling a token on the basis that it will go up in value due to the work that they are doing, then it is a security.
Comment · 8 years ago
Comment · 8 years ago
A lot of people on this thread are conflating Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies for what the SEC is talking about in this statement: tokens that are acting as securities. They do not mean Bitcoin and similar tokens (ETH, LTC, ADA, NEO, etc). If you've been following the SEC's other statements, testimonies, and senate committee hearings, you would know that they do not have a problem with digital currencies per se. That is outside of their mandate (those fall under the CFTC's purview). What the SEC is concerned with is companies that issue digital tokens which act as securities. That is to say, the reason people buy the tokens is the expectation that the work of the company that issued the tokens will cause the value of the tokens to increase, and that is the motivation for people to buy them.

This differs from Bitcoin, which is not issued by any company and has no central organization that does any work or promotion of the token.

The response from American cryptocurrency exchange Bitfinex expresses the distinction between securities and other types of tokens:

“As a U.S.-based digital currency exchange, Bittrex is committed to incubating new blockchain technology projects and offering innovative, compliant digital tokens to our customers. Bittrex uses a robust digital token review process to ensure the tokens listed on the exchange are compliant with U.S. law and are not considered securities. Bittrex is committed to helping advance the United States’ global leadership in this emerging industry, and we look forward to continuing our proactive dialogue with the SEC and other regulators on how to build a secure, fully-regulated environment for blockchain that encourages innovation and economic growth.”

https://support.bittrex.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001525152-B...

They seem to be prepared to meet the SEC in court to argue that the assets they facilitate trading for are not securities.

Comment · 8 years ago
I will trust my accountant; he is after all, on the hook for how it is reported.

Thanks for posting the links! Taxtips.ca is not an official source, and note they use a ton of "may" be this and "might" be that. I will ignore that page, since they clearly do not know and are not the CRA.

The Canada.ca link is consistent with what my accountant said -- when you use crypto to purchase goods or services, it is treated as income (just like bartering), taxable in equivalent CAD value at the time of the transaction. Trading crypto for other crypto is _not_ a goods or service, since crypto is treated as an intangible asset or commodity.

The third link is also consistent with this view:

"Buying and selling digital currency like a commodity

When you file your taxes you must report any gains or losses from selling or buying digital currencies.

Digital currencies are considered a commodity and are subject to the barter rules of the Income Tax Act. Not reporting income from such transactions is illegal."

In order to be considered a "gain" or a "loss", according to my accountant, the commodity must be realized into fiat money. "Selling or buying" means selling into fiat or buying with fiat. "Bartering" means trading for goods or services -- crypto is not considered to be goods or services.

Comment · 8 years ago
The USA is taxing every trade. In Canada (according to my accountant, at least), cryptocurrency gains are only taxable when "realized" by selling into fiat (capital gains), or spending on goods and services (income). Until that point, they are considered intangible assets and not subject to tax. A USA/non-USA (or taxable trades vs only fiat trades) switch feature would be nice, to account for the different approach to taxation.
Comment · 8 years ago
Comment · 8 years ago

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