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People are very watchful of the coming pop we all know is coming...?

It's not great when finance people are openly talking about trying to time the top.

The can of whoop-ass the entire Republican party is about to take at every level on every ballot in every state might just be sufficient to alert some Senators that it's time to jump ship.

Obviously Republicans will win a large number of these elections, but even their victories will be a source of great alarm.

The data center buildout is doing a great job of propping up economic metrics, but not really of driving the real economy.

> I don't think any of them are in a position to allow or not allow their competitors to make mistakes.

Of course they are, by your own hypothesis. You believe it makes sense for the other parties to engage in this behavior. If it makes sense, then they will do that reliably, and one entity can just defect and stand above the rest.

> The point that you're not getting here is that the advantage comes from actually being seen to make mistakes

Ah yes, the ol' "I just do retarded shit so people think I'm a genius" trick. Who could possibly doubt the strategic genius or umm... existence... of such a strategy.

> Again you're not getting it.

No, I understand it completely. Obviously regulatory capture only works if it in reality inflicts asymmetric costs on other parties.

Well I can see why you're failing to understand the problem when you don't even understand the fact pattern. Have you tried reading the MTER / Redwood reports? Or the OpenAI report?

Right, so why would that not be a justification for essentially unbounded GoF research?

I don't see how the "you should want to know all avenues of exploit" goal is different depending on how many avenues of exploit there are

"Perfect?"

More perfect than simply not making mistakes and allowing your competitors to make mistakes (or to, apparently, fake mistakes in their own attempt to get regulated)?

Regulators reading OpenAI's 99th mea culpa: "Ah yes, well I bet they've figured it out this time! We should regulate everyone else!" Lol what a joke.

Do we need DOJ to balance between every ideology in order to exist?

We need 50/50 Republicans and Democrats

50/50 Commies and Fascists

50/50 Totalitarians and Anarchists

50/50 Pro-lifers and pro-choicers

50/50 gun fanatics and gun haters

50/50 Dog people and cat people

50/50 People who like asparagus and people who don't

What exactly are you proposing here?

I have a simple proposal: competent people can apply for the job, and so long as they execute their duties without prejudice, they get to keep the job. It's really that simple!

No one is confused about how regulatory capture works. We're confused by the allegations that labs are deliberately producing safety problems in order to achieve regulatory capture.

Repeatedly blowing up your own munitions factory is not a good way to prevent other people, but not yourself, from running a munitions factory. Obviously.

Obviously the far better solution is to blow up other people's factories, or make allegations of unsafe conditions at other factories, and repeatedly demonstrate excellence and safety within your own.

Here, award-winning gymnasts are alleging that the frontier labs are simply choosing not to do that, and instead choosing to have explosions and minor fires every few days at their own factories, many of which they try to hide (and probably many more of which they successfully do hide). Believing such astounding bullshit is a testament to the power of motivated reasoning and the conspiratorial mindrot that now plagues our civilization.

I didn't ask "are most virologists terrified of gain-of-function research the way the public is"

I'm not even necessarily against GoF research, and I mostly agree with all of your points.

I'm asking about GP's logic.

Do you apply this same logic to GoF research increasing contagiousness or lethality of viruses? Is there any limit to this argument, and if so how do we define it?

You know that lions actually do maim and kill their handlers all the time right?