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Comment · 3 years ago
For sure, and even training is very doable on consumer hardware these days. Techniques like Dreambooth and LoRA have dramatically lowered the compute cost of finetuning large models on specific concepts. A recent GPU can train Stable Diffusion models on a concept using LoRA in < 30 minutes.
Comment · 3 years ago
I guess that makes sense. I use Mullvad as well, and anecdotally it seemed to have a similar rate of blacklisted endpoints to Nord. I guess in Nord's case maybe its ubiquity is the problem.
Comment · 3 years ago
I'm curious, why would that be the case?
Comment · 4 years ago
"I am become and"
Comment · 4 years ago
Deja vu, I have been in this place before.

It's amazing how circular the responses in this comment thread are getting. There appears to be disagreement on the surface, but in reality almost everyone is presenting a view which is at least compatible with each other's -- if not in direct agreement.

Comment · 4 years ago
Comment · 4 years ago
And still lower than other laser systems using inertial confinement. If I'm reading NIF's recent paper right, they're claiming Q_a of above ~1.4, or Q = ~0.28

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8791836/

Edit: Wikipedia suggests that they were using a different method to calculate Q, only measuring the power input to plasma vs output from fusion, not including system losses. So that figure is probably not directly comparable.

> the NIF used ~477 MJ of electrical energy to get ~1.8 MJ of energy into the target to create ~1.3 MJ of fusion energy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ignition_Facility#Bur...

Comment · 4 years ago
> But, of course, I'm overlooking something here. Because if you take the same portrait at 50mm and with, say, 20mm, it's not just the focal length of the camera that differs. What also differs is the position of each camera. The 50mm camera will be positioned further away from the subject, whereas the 20mm camera has to be positioned much closer to achieve the same "shot".

Yep, totally.

> Perhaps it helps that the vehicle moves? That is, after all, very close to having the same scene photographed by cameras positioned at different distances.

I think you're right, they must be taking advantage of this to get the kind of results they are getting. That point cloud footage is impressive, it's hard to imagine getting that kind of detail and accuracy just from individual 2d stills.

Maybe this also gives some insight into the situations where the system seems to struggle. When moving forward in a straight line, objects in the peripheral will shift noticeably in relative size, position and orientation within the frame, whereas objects directly in front will only change in size, not position or orientation. You can see this effect just by moving your head back and forth.

So it might be that the net has less information to go on when considering objects stationary directly in or slightly adjacent to the vehicles path -- which seems to be one of the scenarios where it makes mistakes in the real world, e.g. with stationary emergency vehicles. I'm just speculating here though.

> Also, among the front-facing cameras, the two outermost are at least a few centimeters apart. I haven't measured it, but it looks like a distance not unlike between a human's eyes [0]. Maybe that's already enough?

Maybe. The distance between the cameras is pretty small from memory, less than in human eyes I would say. It would also only work over a smaller section of the forward view due to the difference in focal length between the cams. I can't help but think that if they really wanted to take advantage of binocular vision, they would have used more optimal hardware. So I guess that implies that the engineers are confident that what they have should be sufficient, one way or another.

Comment · 4 years ago
And there's also the fact that the other possibility seems so unlikely: why would you store a sensitive experimental aircraft under a transparent tarp? I can't think of any reason to do so.

An opaque painted tarp seems much more likely.

Comment · 4 years ago
> Until the computer starts telling people what to do

My phone has me well trained. All it has to do is play a short message tone and I'll come running...

Comment · 4 years ago
> I'm just wondering if using cameras that are close to each other, but use different focal lengths, doesn't give the same results

I can see why it might seem that way intuitively, but different focal lengths won't give any additional information about depth, just the potential for more detail. If no other parameters change, an increase in focal length is effectively the same as just cropping in from a wider FOV. Other things like depth of field will only change if e.g. the distance between the subject and camera are changed as well.

The additional depth information provided by binocular vision comes from parallax [0].

> Also, wouldn't turning a multitude of views into a 3D map require a neural net anyway?

Not necessarily, you can just use geometry [1]. Stereo vision algorithms have been around since the 80s or earlier [2]. That said, machine learning also works and is probably much faster. Either way the results should in theory be superior to monocular depth perception through ML, since additional information is being provided.

> It seems to me that this is how modern phones are doing background removal: The lenses are very close to each other, very unlike the human eye. But they have different focal lengths, so depth can be estimated based on the diff between the images caused by the different focal lengths.

Like I said, there isn't any difference when changing focal length other than 'zooming'. There's no further depth information to get, except for a tiny parallax difference I suppose.

Emulation of background blur can certainly be done with just one camera through ML, and I assume this is the standard way of doing things although implementations probably vary. Some phones also use time-of-flight sensors, and Google uses a specialised kind of AF photosite to assist their single sensor -- again, taking advantage of parallax [3]. Unfortunately I don't think the Tesla sensors have any such PDAF pixels.

This is also why portrait modes often get small things wrong, and don't blur certain objects (e.g. hair) properly. Obviously such mistakes are acceptable in a phone camera, less so in an autonomous car.

> And those illusions work even though humans actually have an advantage over cheap fixed-focus cameras, in that focusing the lens on the object itself gives an indication of the object's distance

If you're referring to differences in depth of field when comparing a near vs far focus plane, yeah that information certainly can be used to aid depth perception. Panasonic does this with their DFD (depth-from-defocus) system [4]. As you say though, not practical for Tesla cameras.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binocular_disparity [1] https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.36... [2] https://www.ri.cmu.edu/pub_files/pub3/lucas_bruce_d_1981_2/l... [3] https://ai.googleblog.com/2017/10/portrait-mode-on-pixel-2-a... [4] https://www.dpreview.com/articles/0171197083/coming-into-foc...

Comment · 4 years ago
Sure, but they're not getting that 3d map from binocular vision. The forward camera sensors are within a few mm of each other and different focal lengths.

And the tweet thread you linked confirms it's a ML depth map:

> Well, the cars actually have a depth perceiving net inside indeed.

My speculation was that a binocular system might be less prone to error than the current net.

Comment · 4 years ago
One question I've always had about Tesla's sensor approach: why not use binocular forward facing vision? Seems like it would be a simple and cheap way to get reliable depth maps, which might help performance in the situations which currently challenge the ML. Detecting whether a stationary object (emergency vehicle or child or whatever) is part of the background would be a lot easier with an accurate depth map, or so it seems to me.

Plus using the same cameras would help prevent the issues with sensor fusion of the radar described by Tesla due to the low resolution of the radar.

I know the b-pillar cameras exist, but I don't think their FOV covers the entire forward view, and I don't think they have the same resolution as the main forward cameras (partly due to wide FOV).

I'd love to hear why I'm wrong though.

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