dranov
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Comment · 8 months ago
Cedar used to be written in Dafny, but AWS abandoned that implementation and rewrote it in Lean.
https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/lean-into-verified-s...
Comment · 7 years ago
> I looked a little into RustBelt; how would it have helped this `Pin` issue? I browsed [1] a bit and it seems like `Pin` would have to have been proven on its own in an ad-hoc way not covered by RustBelt.
To clarify, we do have a work-in-progress formalization of pinning as part of RustBelt [0] (I worked on it over the summer). We did not discover this issue because RustBelt does not currently model traits, and the problem here is very much about the interaction between traits and pinning. Ralf touches on this in the linked discussion:
> Actually trying to prove things about Pin could have helped, but one of our team actually did that over the summer and he did not find this issue. The problem is that our formalization does not actually model traits. So while we do have a formal version of the contract that Deref/DerefMut need to satisfy, we cannot even state things like "for any Pin<T> where T: Deref, this impl satisfies the contract".
[0] - https://gitlab.mpi-sws.org/iris/lambda-rust/tree/gpirlea/pin...
Comment · 7 years ago
I might be mistaken, but my understanding is that it does not. You still need to trust the implementation of the logic. But if you don't trust that, you wouldn't trust the compiler correctness proof anyway, so bootstrapping in the logic does give a benefit.
Comment · 7 years ago
CompCert doesn't do this, but CakeML, a verified compiler for a variant of ML bootstraps itself in the logic:
> A unique feature of the CakeML compiler is that it is bootstrapped “in the logic” – essentially, an application of the compiler function with the compiler’s source implementation as argument is evaluated via logical inference. This bootstrapping method produces a machine code implementation of the compiler and also proves a theorem stating functional correctness of that machine code. Bootstrapping removes the need to trust an unverified code generation process. By contrast, CompCert first relies on Coq’s extraction mechanism to produce OCaml, and then relies on the OCaml compiler to produce machine code.
For details, see section 11 "Compiler Bootstrapping" in http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~yongkiat/files/cakeml-jfp.pdf
Comment · 7 years ago
> Are you including Bitcoin script when you say consensus?
Currently, no. Our model considers "consensus" to be agreement on the ordering of transactions. We don't yet interpret the transactions.
However, agreement on the state follows directly provided nodes have a function (in the "functional programming" sense), call it `Process`, that returns the current state given the ordered list of transactions. If all nodes have the same the function, they will have the same state.
The BIP-0050 issue (in my understanding) is that different Bitcoin versions had different consensus rules, i.e. their `Process` functions were different. As far as I know, Bitcoin script is deterministic, so it should be possible to define it functionally. We haven't begun looking at this, though, and I don't know of anyone that has -- some people are working on verified implementations of the EVM, however.
> It seems like a huge task to formally model the whole consensus system, including OP_CODESEPARATOR.
It is a huge task, yes, but it can be done modularly such that reasoning about script interpretation can be almost entirely separated from reasoning about Nakamoto consensus. (This is a bit subtle, since the fork choice rule needs to check if blocks are valid, which relies on script interpretation.)
I don't really understand OP_CODESEPARATOR. As long as it is deterministic, it shouldn't be an issue.
Comment · 7 years ago
I agree, and there are efforts to develop formally verified implementations of Nakamoto consensus (which I'm involved in). We've published a paper a year ago about our efforts and first results and I'm currently extending that work for my Master's thesis. Others are also building on top of that work [3].
We're nowhere near having a verified Bitcoin implementation (much less verifying the existing C++ implementation), but we're making steady progress. One could reasonably expect having a verified, deployable implementation in 3-4 years if people continue working on it.
It remains to be seen whether people would switch to that from Core (very unlikely) or Core would adopt it as a component to replace its existing consensus code (interesting possibility, but also unlikely).
[1] - https://github.com/certichain/toychain
Comment · 8 years ago
> I’d really appreciate [...] links to the work of similar initiatives
Take a look at Quorum, a "programming language which is designed to be accessible to individuals with disabilities and is widely used in schools for the blind".
Comment · 8 years ago
> SAT solvers generally have poor support for constructive logic, the kind of logic used in theorem provers based on dependent types like Coq.
Arguably, this is no longer the case. FStar [1] has dependent types, monadic effects, refinement types and a weakest precondition calculus (i.e. a richer type system than Coq) and uses the Z3 SMT solver to discharge many proof obligations. I've been using FStar recently and it works surprisingly well.
Comment · 8 years ago
The link is that both these policies hurt US tech companies. With that lens, there is no inconsistency.
Comment · 8 years ago
Apparently, v1.0 of the Facebook Graph API could access users' private messages via the 'read_mailbox' API request [1]. This was deprecated when v2.0 launched.
"Version 1.0 of the Graph API launched on April 21, 2010. It was deprecated in April 2014 and closed completely to legacy apps (ie, existing apps that used the API before April 2014) on April 30, 2015."
[1] https://medium.com/tow-center/the-graph-api-key-points-in-th...
Comment · 8 years ago
That sounds a lot like BitMessage.
There's a blog post with a demo at https://proofsandintuitions.net/2026/02/09/distributed-verif...
It's still early days, but we're committed to making distributed protocol verification work extremely well in Lean.