criley2
Joined 13 years ago
Joined 13 years ago
For example last week I put $1400 thru my Anthropic enterprise $200 plan. That's $5600 per month, or 28X the $200 my company pays (according to `npx ccusage`)
So it seems like Sonnet 5.5 medium, GLM 5.3 flash and Deepseek V4.1 flash 1017 are all in a similar space in capacity and price, however the $20 anthropic sub will get you like $200-$300 in sonnet 5.5...
Another bonus is that sonnet uses a fraction of the overall tokens and finishes much faster than the average chinese model, so your work goes faster (Sonnet 5.5 medium in 2 minutes, Deepseek 1017 in 6.5 minutes, GLM 5.3 flash in 13 minutes...)
I still don't get why paying for chinese inference makes sense. I should try Haiku 5.5 high/max because it's posting higher numbers than Deepseek V4.1 flash for half the price
He also didn't rape children and steal billions while destroying the world economy...
Sounds about right. As we can see with the US approach to AI, it really is about maximizing the investment as fast as possible, maximizing the utility as fast as possible, and blowing past any concept of safety or responsibility.
I mean these models will have at times radically different output when the only difference between prompts is that one prompt is lowercased.
I'd love to see the reasoning traces because if you write "software for a US persona", it will try to fill in the blanks. What did the user mean? "US persona"? Prioritizing profits, advertising, and shipping new features over safety and responsibility? That's what many humans would assume you meant...
Removing edit tool from your model is like lobotomizing your engineer.
Here's the secret: Just building the thing is the modern "plan mode". You don't have to keep what it made. But a completed, verified, and tested output is always more valuable to my planning process than a hallucinated sloppy guess.
There are 2 scenarios for dumb builder agents:
1. Your "planner" actually implements the project almost completely, finds all the gotchas, solves all of the emergent problems, and fully plans the solution.
2. Your "planner" takes a half-assed first attempt, solving none of the major problems that will arise during implementation
In scenario 1 -- just pay cache output on a few more tokens to finish the project. No need to spend twenty minutes pumping a few million tokens through deepseek regardless of how cheap it is to do so.
In scenario 2 -- good luck getting quality output
I do think this "software team" LARPing is an engineering version of AI psychosis. You can get all of the little parts humming along, sending messages, and looking really cool. You can even convince yourself that all of these busy little bees actually make better product.
But a frontier model working alone can produce better output in a tiny fraction of the time. Just build the thing.
Sol 6.1 High: 50 intelligence, $0.32 per task, 4.4 min per task, 13k output tokens per task
Sol 6.1 Medium: 48 intelligence, $0.21 per task, 2.9 min per task, 8k output tokens per task
Deepseek 4.1 1017: 45 intelligence, $0.26 per task, 4.8 min per task, 89k output tokens per task
If you look at the actual pareto frontier across the full benchmark, Sol 6.1 remains firmly on the pareto line, while deepseek remains firmly under it, just as it was before https://i.imgur.com/N72p5NF.png
This result is exactly as I expected, and seems to run counter to the effusive praise of this thread. Sol 6.1 Medium is producing higher quality output at a lower price with nearly 10X less output tokens! And this is not surprising.
And finally, Mimo V2.6 Pro continues to look like a stunning release, clearly smarter, cheaper and faster than deepseek v4.1 1017
This is why "tokens per second" alone is a deeply flawed comparator.
This is also why discussions of Chinese models focus on tokens per second- they struggle to compete on intelligence so they dramatically increase effort levels to compensate, meaning they require massive total output tokens.
For example, flash 1017 isn't benchmarked yet, but 0731 required 15.4M tokens to complete the artificial analysis benchmark, and Sol 6.1 high required just 2.8M.
Sol 6.1 uses 2.8M at 64 tok/s = 12h 9m
Flash 0731 reported 149 token/s at 15.4M needed = 28h 42m
And in my example in the first line, scenario A (30 t/s) completes 6 minutes faster than scenario B, despite 10X slower inference.