codeka

> One of the few reasonable datasets suggesting it doesn't help is the amish

When you literally live on the farm where the cow is milked, there is less benefit to pasteurization, yes. Unless you want us to live like the Amish, then let's keep our pasteurized milk, OK?

> one involving Waymo

Are you referring to the one where a Waymo, and several other cars, were stopped at a traffic light, when another car (incidentally, a Tesla) barreled into the traffic stack at 90 MPH, killing several people?

Because I am not aware of any other fatal accidents where a Waymo was even slightly involved. I think it's, at best, misleading to refer to that in the same sentence as FSD-involved fatalities where FSD was the direct cause.

> The article notes that the data is incomplete, but that only means that there are more incidents than the graph shows.

But what it doesn't note is where the data is incomplete.

If they started actively looking for incidents in March of this year, and the previous months are just whatever they happened to notice on social media, then it could be both true that "the data is incomplete" and that "there has not been a skyrocketing of incidents".

If you care about absolute numbers, then you need to compare it against human-caused incidents too. If there's 100,000 human-caused incidents then AVs going from 3 -> 300 isn't even a blip.

Sure, but the point is, they're doing it.

> full self driving cars are a reality

Full self driving cars are a reality. Waymo is giving 10,000 trips per week with nobody behind the steering wheel in SF and Pheonix.

It was the right decision not because it was made of cardboard, but because it "fluttered".

If it had been full of bowling balls and just thunked to the ground, it would not have been the right decision to just drive over it.

> And in some circumstances four-way stops flow more traffic.

There's no way that's true, is it? What circumstances would a four way stop sign allow for more traffic flow than a roundabout?

I'm pretty sure it's purely cost-cutting. Four way stop signs are extremely cheap compared to roundabouts. There's no other advantage that I can think of.

Roundabouts are safer (there is no opportunity for t-boning at a roundabout), faster and simpler to navigate than four way stop signs (a roundabout you just give way to people already on the roundabout, a four way stop sign requires you to keep track of who arrived first and then do a weird dance if you both arrived at the same time, and you still need to watch out for people attempting to go out of turn -- which is not possible with a roundabout)

The exact same problem exists with volunteer-maintained maps. In fact it's even worse there because at least with a commercial map, quality is basically correlated with where the users are. With a volunteer-maintained map, quality is correlated with where the volunteers are, which is not necessarily going to be where the users are.

I don't even understand the benefit of 100.00% uptime, over 99.99% anyway? I mean, I probably spend more time in a parking garage with no internet available to me at all, than google spends being down in any given month.

I mean, I understand the idea that Google wants to increase their uptime because every lost query is lost revenue, but OP seemed to imply there's some intrinsic benefit that's more than just the incremental benefit...

None of that really matters if Mars is on the other side of sun from Earth. You'd need relay satellites to direct the signal around the sun, and even at the speed of light that's going to take tens of minutes, one way.

As the parents suggest, even at Earth-Moon distances, we need to completely rethink things.