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Comment · 11 years ago
Comment · 11 years ago
I would just add, it took them nearly 4 years to add these guidelines!

>November 29, 2011 First publication

>July 8, 2015, 2015 Revision to include security guidance and requirements

Comment · 11 years ago
tl;dr version (since this blew up on Reddit and there's lots of stuff to digest)

* in Windows 8+ any PC vendor can include an .EXE in Firmware/BIOS, and Windows will look for this on each boot, and run it right before you log in. This is called "Windows Platform Binary Table". This is something Windows does, and there is no way to turn this off. To me, this is the bigger story, because vendors may now start to use this method to install anything, making a clean windows install impossible.

* Lenovo uses this method if you try to install Windows 8, but if you install Windows 7, it does the sketchy "overwrite your system file (autochk.exe)" method instead.

* Either way, Lenovo installs a service on your PC. It was found to have security bugs. I can't find the link, but they said this was placed on some laptops/PC's from late 2014 to Summer 2015. They've released a new firmware 2 weeks ago that turns this off.

I would like to know if any non-Lenovo pc's have used this "Windows Platform Binary" method to run software from the firmware, because when I searched for it, I saw people with Dell's and HP's who thought they might have a virus, posting scan logs that contained the text "wpbbin.exe" (which would only be there if Windows found it in the BIOS and put it there) For example see https://www.google.com/search?q="wpbbin.exe"+site%3Aforums.m...

Check your PC:

Windows 8 and up: Check your event log for "Microsoft-Windows-Subsys-SMSS" and if you see "A platform binary was successfully executed." your PC vendor is doing this. Or, look for a file called wpbbin.exe in windows\system32. (This file would ONLY exist if Windows found it in your firmware and ran it.)

Windows 7: Verify your autochk.exe is legit. I think you could simply do: "sfc /VERIFYONLY" in cmd.exe (as Admin) but I did not test it. My autochk.exe was signed by Lenovo in 2014 (which tipped me off it didn't come from the Windows 7 DVD I got in 2010!).

Comment · 11 years ago
Comment · 11 years ago
Wow, nice find!

Also, I see Microsoft has updated that document in the last two weeks, apparently due to Lenovo's use of it.

http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=2013

"a security vulnerability that was discovered ..by an independent security researcher, Roel Schouwenberg... As a result of these findings, Microsoft recently released updated security guidelines...on how to best implement this Windows BIOS feature."

Comment · 11 years ago
I would be interested to see if any other manufacturers are doing this as well.

You can easily check: if a file called wpbbin.exe is in your windows\system32 directory, that means Windows found and executed code that was in your firmware.

Or, see if your autochk.exe hash isn't from Microsoft (paste the hash into virustotal) If OK, virustotal would say, "Trusted source! This file belongs to the Microsoft Corporation software catalogue."

I ask because last month, when I searched for "wpbbin.exe" I found lots of people who thought they had viruses, posting scan logs to various sites, and the scan logs mentioned this file as well as things that looked like Dell and HP stuff. "Wpbbin.exe" is a file that would only exist in your system32 if Windows found it in your firmware.

Comment · 11 years ago
Very interesting, thanks for that link.

"If LSE is not enabled, it will not be shown under the “Security” tab in the system BIOS and the user is not affected"

FYI, This was not true for me - there was no option in the BIOS regarding this. So I'd say, the lack of this in your BIOS setup screen does NOT mean it is not there!

Comment · 11 years ago
No - see my reply to the Ars thread. Windows 8 introduced an "official" way to do this called "Windows Platform Binary Table". Every time Windows boots, it checks your ACPI table for an entry called "WPBT", writes that to disk as "wpbbin.exe", and executes it. There does not seem to be any way to disable this behavior in Windows. Truecrypt would not help in this case because it happens after boot.
Comment · 11 years ago
I just replied to the Ars thread - it's even stranger. Windows 8 and up have an officially Microsoft sanctioned way of letting manufacturers load software through Firmware, called "Windows Platform Binary Table". It means it is impossible to do a clean install of Windows now. I've seen zero mention of it anywhere - maybe Lenovo was the first to pull the trigger and make use of it recently.
Comment · 11 years ago
There is no setting I can see to opt-out of what the Lenovo is doing. It's not an anti-theft software, it's software that makes popups appear, asking you to install their software.
Comment · 11 years ago
Lenovo is now using rootkit-like techniques to install their software on CLEAN Windows installs, by having the BIOS overwrite windows system files on bootup. Someone detailed this here: http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29497693&sid=dd...

I had this happen to me a few weeks ago, on a new Lenovo laptop, doing a clean install with a new SSD, Win 8 DVD + wifi turned off. I couldn't understand how a Lenovo service was installed and running! Delete the file and it reappears on reboot. I've never seen anything like this before.

Something to think about before buying Lenovo. I searched and found almost nothing about this, so it may be something they started doing in the last few months...

Comment · 11 years ago
> every civilization must regard every other civilization as an existential threat

I've wondered about this! If "the singularity" is something that really can happen, then perhaps it IS wise to fear any civilization that has developed basic computing, as it could quickly spawn an incredibly advanced, immortal being in a very short amount of time.

And if it can happen, then I'm sure at some point in history, an AI did take hold somewhere. Realizing how dangerous this whole singularity thing can be, it sought out the destruction of any biological life that could someday create their own singularity.

I've wondered if the Fermi paradox is simply that a few AI's developed long ago, and decided not to take any chances.

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