chrisbaker98
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It's not "nearly" unheard of, it's completely unheard of apart from in Pelé's case. He remains the only player ever to have won three world cups.
These measures won't stop a truly determined person, but they stop a lot of people. It's well understood that erecting even a minor inconvenience in front of a suicidal person can be enough to keep them alive. Popping all your paracetamol out of the packaging takes enough time to give you a chance to reconsider the whole thing.
By forcing someone to do something, we prevent them from doing something else.
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/10/13/medical-assistance-de...
> “I don’t want to die but I don’t want to be homeless more than I don’t want to die,” shared Farsoud.
One doctor has already signed off on his euthanasia and he only needs one more.
I don't know how common this kind of story is but it shouldn't be ignored - and it's the exact kind of thing that all those scary right wing monsters warned would happen if we didn't listen to them.
That's the kind of personal experience that makes me feel much less in favour of legalisation.
No-one is "denied the chance" to die if they wait long enough and I'd much rather let a few more people die natural deaths if the alternative is coercing people into suicide.
You need to read more history.
I used to be very much in favour of legalised euthanasia but I'm a lot less certain after reading about what it's actually looking like in practice in Canada - where the results seem horrifying.
But if you only want to talk about suicide: we already "force" suicidal people to stay alive via suicide prevention measures (nets under bridges, restrictions on drug purchases etc.) that make it harder or less convenient to kill yourself. These measures reduce suicide rates and I'd say they're moral.
Okay, so what if we're only talking about "assisted" suicide? If someone really wants to die, should we let them? I get where you're coming from, but let's not pretend it's always this simple. Suicidal people aren't famous for thinking rationally, and just because someone says they want to die that doesn't mean we should take it at face value. There are already cases in Canada of people seeking euthanasia not because they're terminally ill but because they're poor, and see suicide as preferable to poverty/homelessness:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-is-canada-euthanisin...
There's the "slippery slope" we were warned about.
PS I'm not sure what you think "bad faith" means, but my post was not written in bad faith.