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>What would be the syntax for promise pipelining, if you aren't using promises to start with?

Oh, great point! That does seem really hard, maybe even intractable. That's definitely a reason to like cooperative concurrency, huh...

Just to tangent even further, but some ideas:

- Do it the ugly way: add an artificial layer of promises in an otherwise pre-emptive, direct-style language. That's just, unfortunately, quite ugly...

- Use a lazy language. Then everything's a promise! Some Haskell optimizations feel kind of like promise pipelining. But I don't really like laziness...

- Use iterator APIs; that's a slightly less artificial way to add layers of promises on top of things, but still weird...

- Punt to the language: build an RPC protocol into the language, and promise pipelining as a guaranteed optimization. Pretty inflexible, and E already tried this...

- Something with choreographic programming and modal-types-for-mobile-code? Such languages explicitly track the "location" of values, and that might be the most natural way to represent ocap promises: a promise is a remote value at some specific location. Unfortunately these languages are all still research projects...

I totally agree with your framing of the value of async/await, but could you elaborate more on why you think that this behavior (which I would call "cooperative concurrency") is important for (ocap?) RPC systems? It seems to me that preemptive concurrency also suffices to make RPC viable. Unless you just feel that preemptive concurrency is too hard, and therefore not workable for RPC systems?

Rationalists and EAs spend far more time praising the Catholic Church and other religious groups than criticizing them - since they spend essentially no time criticizing them, and do occasionally praise them.

>If you take enough steps back and really think about it, the only synchronization primitive that exists is a futex (and maybe atomics). Everything else is an abstraction of some kind.

You're going to be surprised when you learn that futexes are an abstraction too, ultimately relying on this thing called "cache coherence".

And you'll be really surprised when you learn how cache coherence is implemented.

Emacs 30 has a native graphical port to Android, maybe you can just use that on any Android device.

Well, that's not fundamental. There are plenty of projects that support generating typed bindings for libraries in one language for use by programs in another language. You could do the same thing here.

Is stackfulness required for what the grandparent describes? It seems possible to do this stacklessly: all functions implicitly compile down to a state machine, but futures are never visible.

What do you suggest as an alternative way to express these concepts?

Colloquially, "library" and "service" have 95% of the correct connotations.

Ultimately, it can't. Proprietary software has fundamental limitations that force proprietary software developers to choose technically inferior designs. It's why in the long run proprietary software is doomed.

Do you have better suggestions for what words/phrases to use to refer to these two categories?

If you predictably do that then the pilots won't speak truthfully in therapy in the first place.

The only way to get the lesser benefit of therapy is to precommit to not report suicidal thoughts.

The greater benefit of "pilots honestly report their suicidal thoughts and then they are stopped from flying" is simply impossible to achieve, and if you foolishly try to get it anyway then you won't even get the lesser benefit.

I think you may have misunderstood the problem that this article is solving.

You've implemented something which kills all your child processes when you exit cleanly, but which leaks child processes if you exit uncleanly. This is, frankly, easy to do, and not interesting. It's not a "problem".

The article is solving the problem of: how do I make sure my child processes die even if I exit uncleanly? That's an actual hard problem to solve.

It is unfortunate that there are poorly-managed projects with poorly-managed mailing lists (just like there are poorly-managed projects on Github), but sourcehut at least requires a properly-managed mailing list, and I think you should evaluate this workflow on that standard. Tell poorly-managed projects to move to sourcehut, if you want to fix this issue.