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But he could orchestrate a bunch of people to mint artistic NFTs that could be traded around a bit to enable him to make loads of money that he could cash out “legitimately”…

The premise here is that if someone wants to secretly record you, that it’s not possible or easy with a smartphone or some other kind of easily acquired camera. This unfortunately is completely wrong.

If someone is motivated to secretly or inappropriately film, they will do so with whatever device they have. Having these glasses doesn’t tell you anything more about whether they’re that kind of person than the colour of their shirt.

Whether you will notice is entirely context and situation dependent. In some cases the glasses would be hard to notice, in others the use of a phone would be hard to notice.

So while your perspective that people who want to secretly film stuff should be unwelcome is quite reasonable, the test you apply to detect it is misdirected.

Maybe I’m just more used to them. I see obvious camera in clearly identifiable smart glasses…

Yours might not, but what other people choose to do with their recordings is out of your control.

You may have a specific issue with the fact that the media goes through meta’s services, but that’s not the point that is being made in this thread.

All of the ethical and legal issues apply to all other cameras and camera footage too.

Citations please. I’ve only seen glasses which are obviously meta glasses with a clearly visible camera.

Being filmed without your knowledge is happening all the time, these glasses haven’t moved the needle at all.

Right but if they stand near you and film you with a phone without directly interacting with you, it’s extremely difficult to notice that you’re being filmed.

If someone stands in front of you and interacts with you, firstly the camera in these glasses is not hidden and the glasses themselves are quite distinctive, and secondly, a light comes on exactly where you would be looking as you interact - next to their eyes.

On those two points, I’d argue that they’re exactly the same as phones or other cameras when it comes to being able to secretly record.

They’re nothing like glasses from spy novels, they’re extremely noticeable.

There are other plausible explanations to do with interacting with strangers generally. I don’t think he really made a point at all.

Right but the debate here is about “my gun is good and your gun is bad” rather than the right of anybody to have gun.

Cameras exist. This is a camera. All cameras have the same problems this one. So why are we debating about this camera vs that camera rather than whether cameras should be allowed.

This kind of hyperbole is nonsense. It’s a camera, being compared to other cameras. If your point doesn’t stand without dubious analogy then it’s not a very good point.

The fact is that if you stood outside any company office, with a highly visible camera crew, and then asked people who were passing by whether they worked at that company, most of them would probably feel quite apprehensive.

They would also be apprehensive if there was no camera at all.

So what exactly is the point that is being made in this video? People are apprehensive when put into situations with other people where their intentions are not clear and there are signs that the intentions might be malicious. Very informative…

Citation needed buddy…

This is a strange take…

1. You’ve inferred that the reason the glasses exist is to enable people to harass other people. That’s a very odd conclusion. 2. Where’s the without them knowing? Meta literally designed the hardware so that you do know that you’re being filmed, unlike almost every other camera on the market. 3. You haven’t managed to separate the decisions and accountability of an individual from the tool that they use to execute those decisions. This is a strange way to look at the world. It places inherent moral values into inanimate objects.

Why? Cameras are not banned, filming without consent is.

Also, you might as well hold up a sign that says “creep” with a big downward pointing arrow if you do something like that.

Think through how realistic an attack this really is…

What is going on that I don’t know about?

Yes your comment is incorrect. It’s completely free of the nuance and real moral debate that needs to be had and adds nothing interesting to the discussion.

How many people are working around the safeguards? How prevalent is harm caused by creeps secretly filming on these glasses vs doing other creepy things? Have these glasses tangibly changed the creeps doing creeping landscape?

If you can’t answer those questions, it’s reactionary. That’s that it means.