beerpls
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From my previous comment.
It wouldn’t be the least bit surprising that these researchers wouldn’t say it happened even if they had strong evidence it did.
The downsides are obviously not good for them nor their careers in any way. God forbid they themselves could be found connected to the responsibility and would inevitably become a scapegoat.
And if they did come out and nothing happened to them - what positives would occur? “Reforming safety protocols”? All that would do is create more red tape in the future and inhibit research even more.
I think you should better evaluate the context of what a scientist in that position would face and think. You really quickly see there’s a lot of grey area, and we can’t think very highly of our typical standards of proof.
Of course, i’m not saying “absolutely it was a leak”. Simply that you’re holding the theory to such high standards of proof as to be, imho, unreasonable.
Scientists work with covid viruses, scientists accidentally contract virus when one of a thousand technical protocols accidentally slipped, scientists unknowingly spread virus.
I worked in a clean lab for years with, presumably, much lower tolerances than you would want at a lab studying deadly viruses. We had leaks all the time even with protocols in place. Scientists are smart, they aren’t perfect and make mistakes.
Now realize that publicly stating your lab had a protocol failure of this magnitude and you face career death, the possible eradication of your lab and it’s connections, etc.
You’re saying no lab leak claims “held up under peer review” and it’s “not supported by facts”. I’m not sure if you get this, but if this did leak from a lab then there would probably be zero way to trace that without speculation. You’re not going to go find a covid virus with a time stamp and location of where it came from or where it moved. How on Earth would one ever prove this?
I have a feeling that your terms of proof a priori make it impossible to ever conclude a lab leak was the cause…
I was shocked at my first job to realize the code reviewer didn’t even read my code, merely glanced over and demanded style changes (which were not consistent from review to review in the slightest)
It really felt more like how you hand your advisor your thesis with obvious easy to fix errors so he doesn’t compulsively decide “well something must need improvement” and make you fix something difficult
And I personally refuse to work with this style of workflow anymore
Does the code do what it needs? That’s objective and it either does or doesn’t. I can manage that kind of review.
Does the code look pretty enough? This is subjective and guarantees i’ll waste hours of my life every month bc someone else felt anxious/neurotic/masochistic and wanted to dump a chore on me.
No thanks, if you have style guidelines i’ll follow them. I’m not your whipping boy that will ask how high when you say jump.
In grad school I encountered experiment after experiment, paper after paper where the authors went around emphasizing the parts which were statistically “sexy” while ignoring glaring issues like this
It’s almost like the methodology for creating science is more rigorous than the science itself
Sometimes the sample is too small. Sometimes they assume a correlation that doesn’t exist. It’s troubling and was a large part of why I left academia
Hyperbole isn’t good
Remember it’s not about what a piece of paper says the rules are - it’s what you can get away with in power.
I love how the IQ of this place keeps spiraling downward.
In the modern world we download another app and then feel better despite nothing having changed.
Gravity cares about distance and mass, and as large parts of the planet move their density distribution shifts affecting both of those factors
Are we trying to make reality fit our wholesome romanced version of reality?
Not that I could stomach it myself, but I don’t really see this as much of a moral issue.
Devour to survive. So it is, so it’s always been…
stop virtue signaling and start thinking or kindly avoid this topic because you’re only causing harm
your dichotomy is a false representation. and a poor one at that
Never mind friends. I just wanted to make people think a little, but that’s always a mistake here.
For the record: I’m quite skeptical that the lab leak theory is true.