anon102010
Joined 6 years ago
Joined 6 years ago
But I also thought Apple with its long support lifetimes for products and good resale values was probably better for environment than the android junk with uncertain supply chains, but HN regularly has stories trashing apple has terrible for environment and never says anything about android so who knows.
You need a second factor. That is either your 2FA device, a backup 2fa, backup codes, an authenticated and still valid login session etc.
If you are security paranoid you can lockout insecure 2fa methods, never validate your device and sign up for their Advanced Protection Program.
Note however, google is VERY clear -> if you lock yourself out it is game over. They do not allow humans to override the lockouts -> period. This is obviously good for security. All the folks here complaining about this supposed 2FA issue while asking for human support to allow login override / resets really have no clue about the GIANT security hole that opens.
Witness all the sim card hijacking done through phone co's (that do allow human involvement).
Google is CRYSTAL clear.
Q: Create a replacement Google Account
A: If you still can't get into your account, create a new one.
Q: Why can't I get into my old account?
A: We couldn't be sure that you're the owner. To keep accounts safe, we can't give access to them if we can't confirm who the owner is.
They've closed the big hole (human override / corruption / bribes / social engineering). And have made it so that you have only a bit of extra risk to stay in your account. Don't like that? Don't authenticate your devices as trusted.
You can use your password AND that authenticated and still valid session or device to do the reset.
Google gives you options with your free account.
1) No 2FA
2) 2FA with insecure methods
3) 2FA with security keys and authenticators.
4) Advanced Protection Program
5) Paid account options with additional options / controls.
Your comment illustrates a DEEP misunderstanding of dealing with users at scale.
You have millions and millions of users.
You are proposing that the threat / benefit model is such that if they lose their 2FA device (very easy via upgrades to phones, lost phones broken phones) EVEN though they have their password and and have access to a trusted device within the validity window for device trust they will be locked out, potentially forever from their account?
Do you
a) realize how common this situation is?
b) realize how angry users will be to lose access to all their google services with basically no support route to recover that?
c) what pressure there will be to allow for other recovery methods THAT ARE EVEN WEAKER?
I've gone through 2FA reset procedures over the phone with a few companies, and in EACH case it struck me how easy it would be to socially engineer or use very minimal info to get a new 2FA when they allow these methods (ie, last 4 digits of CC was one reset piece of info). So you need to allow workable 2FA update methods so that your fallback can be pretty tight if allowed at all.
Finally, consumer accounts have basically NO recovery option if you are locked out. I had a relative get locked out, nothing to be done (they had a landline that couldn't accept text messages and the system won't do voice calls). There is NO human backup - all emails, google photos, google drive etc GONE.
The headline should say - You can disable Google 2FA on 2FA authenticated connections without re-authenticating.
This is a fantastic balance in terms of security and usability. I switched iphones and google authenticator did not bring my 2FA's over, I got on my machine that had already authenticated and setup a new 2FA. Whew. Other systems were MUCH much harder to restore AND you could still get around 2FA but now with human involvement (social engineering risk). I've worked govt jobs with security so "tight" that everyone got the workarounds worked out - the social engineering would be as easy as I need reset for user X and they stopped even checking who anyone was the volumes were so high.
The loss in security is minimal here, and the loss is controllable, and it reduces pressure on other reset approaches (seriously, if you lock yourself out of google you will REALLY want to get back in).
This:
https://reductress.com/post/the-best-haircuts-for-what-youve...
is very close to the person (Sonya) on get bright's testimonials.
https://getbright.app/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/testimonial...
It could be the same Sonya just doing other things (hair shots etc) of course so not certain they are fake testimonial photos but certainly weird.
As someone who also took time off (and built apps) from college, the fact that I'd built some apps (that got write-ups) was a big positive for my early career, even if just prototypes. But I was at a top education org before taking time off so I'd already proven I could get into a reasonable place.
No need to disclose, but your and my story tends to work if you (and or others on team) got into a place like an Ivy or a UC or top liberal arts, majoring in CS or engineering, then dropped out (aka were into the entrepreneurial space)
I think it works a lot less well with an undisclosed and possibly non-tech background.
If you had a path like hers then I am very impressed, your deck or prototype must have been compelling. But very often there are some other proof points (top school acceptance / cs majors etc). That is almost silicon valley cliche at this point.
An awesome scenario would be if someone focused on black led businesses in terms of VC and made a killing.
VCs arguably are taking less risk. Now sometimes it stuff like capital domination (I think super stupid)
They like seeing what you've done yourself. You've built x / y / z - delivered this and that - great. This can be big if you don't have an exit yet.
Or proof in pudding - good traction already, good pitch deck etc.
etc.
It's not clear what she's done herself. Even her gym ownership success is complicated by potential involvement of her husband even though she goes to some lengths to say it's racist to assume the ownership was result of some help.
And her philosophy is that she doesn't want help from white folks, just for them to get out of the way. Then she's applying to benchmark vs Harlem capital? Its confusing.
Based on these parts speed I may move to a laptop as my "main" machine in the future. Just dock it at home, office and use on road.