akmiller

…and here I am a dumb American tourist who knew nothing about Vespa’s and was just upset because I couldn’t get my uber and missed my train.

Now I want one!

> Because it's their property. Now you can try to make an argument that it's stolen IP and that matters in some way, but that's just more likely to ensure no one has access

The knowledge of the world is their property? Or is it the model weights? Or is it the natural resources they are subsuming by buying politicians and political power and leaving residents with high bills (while securing cheap energy costs for themselves). Perhaps it's the equipment they lease causing drastic price spikes in RAM and GPU's for everyday normal people.

> And if you don't like it raise a trillion dollars and make your own.

Not the only solution here mate.

I think you misunderstood me, I'm saying strong (very strong) data privacy laws make age gating unnecessary. This solution has far reaching benefits across all age groups.

You know this? My guess is that companies will be held responsible for anyone accessing there content that is not supposed to. In that light they will feel the need to block any unknowns that come through rather than potentially face issues if someone who is technically banned from accessing gets in.

I'm not sure how you confidently can say that every company is going to allow the people we can't verify have access?

That's a complete false dichotomy.

We create all kinds of consortiums to manage complex decisions that shouldn't be owned by one entity.

That's true but has anyone studied the good things that have happened from younger people being able to find community or other positive aspects?

Either way the solution again is not age gating, it's real meaningful data privacy laws that if enacted would have a huge effect on many companies today.

Gating is not just for porn, they are talking about using for social media and various other things. You can imagine that many things end up age gated if this becomes legislation, as a preventative measure.

Then your 10% becomes problematic because you are either restricting or granting access based on invalid information. So in your world here we then need ways for people who were incorrectly gated to reach out and be corrected somehow.

Your example is in bad faith as your example assumes that the only thing blocking a child of 5 from porn is age verification of some type. There are lots of blockers today for 5 year olds to get access to porn.

> I also acknowledge that there is a reasonable debate to be had if the disadvantages to adults and businesses from imposing these rules are worth the harms prevented

Nobody on the "we need age verification" side wants a debate. They want to run face first in to dumb legislation giving governments and companies even more power to track every movement and know exactly who you are.

Wouldn't this mean we don't know what age these 10% are in?

Same code for all people for 1 hour and you don't think we'd immediately have rotating codes to pass the gate?

Doesn't 90% successful mean you are stepping on 10% toes???

1 assumes that some "private entity" gets to decide what is crucial infrastructure and what is not, what gets the opportunity to be patched and what doesn't.

I'm not ok with that and don't know why anyone would be.

I haven't seen anyone suggest that a company can't do this, they absolutely can within certain frameworks of the law. That doesn't mean consumers have to like it and continue to business with companies such as these.

First of all, these products are "legal". I think the point is more that we pay for your top subscription but you've decided that a handful of companies that you pick get access to the best of the best now and everyone else has to wait and perhaps they may be allowed access at some point...if deemed worthy.

You want the few leading AI companies in the U.S. to work under the model where they (and potentially the U.S. gov't) gets to decide who gets access to what compute? If you are fine paying into that model, then good for you...just a matter of time before they cut you off and you have no ramifications.

The issue is that the people enforcing this have made a huge amount of money doing the same thing, but with a full on war!