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US has the constitution. Gov does not make "the law", it is not UK!

I have to be a bit careful what I say here.

Orthodox have certain political views, that do not mix well with majority of liberal population. They claim ethical/non-military grounds when it comes to conscription, but are very strongly opinionated in other areas.

And look who is doing actual fighting in Gaza. There are are like 5000 US Navy seals. Conscript army can not even man fortified bunkers!

> My claim is that among the top 10 happiest countries,

I read Israel faces genocide, that does not sound very happy!

If you look at some stats, North Korea is doing pretty well, they have like 40% gender equality or whatever.

I would really recommend you to travel a bit. You obviously do not have much experience (stats, research). Israel is quite ok now.

If you want good safe place for "cultural shock", Jeddah would be good, nice corrals...

Well, I will give an actual example of non specific country that was invaded two year ago.

First profi army becomes senior force, that trains whomever wants to hold a gun (second army). There is never political support to draft third army (like everyone). Remains of first army flee after government collapses. Political regime changes.

Finland has maybe 1000 men who are trained to NATO standards. If there is a Russian invasion, current conscript army become police force to handle local population and logistics, while NATO overtakes the country.

It is not 1940 something.

I was in Gothenburg. There is a statue for 51%, they were forced to stay at home and are the real victims, while 49% were pushed through meat grinder.

So not just Uncle Tom, but also total misogynistic! Please do not ignore women, they are human beings and they matter too!

They were excluded until very recently. I think details are not relevant, but look how long they do studies, dodging ratios, where they serve, extremism, tax payments... It really does not belong here.

My point is that Israel is really not good example of a country with "happy conscription".

Israel is actually good pace to visit now. Cheaper than usually, far less tourist, stay on coast (Haifa and Tel Aviv) avoid religious sites. I am going there in October for two weeks.

51% of Swedish population opposes conscription tooth and nail.

My "practical" opposition to slavery is that I will never ever become slave again, no matter if waht, if I am forced into it!

I am not going to talk about Switzerland.

Orthodox in Israel are excluded from military service. But there are settlers... Ethical my bum.. also there are like 20% Arabs... You should really spend some time in there, crazy country.

> I'd be surprised if there was a "huge opposition" in Switzerland or Israel

That is reason why women got voting rights in 1970 in Switzerland, they were worried about conscription.

Israel has a huge orthodox religious community that opposes conscription. Army is just for liberal idiots!

> So the concept of SLAVERY is not obviously ineffective. It depends on the implementation.

I live in Prague, had gf from Ukraine, know like 5 men who escaped just before border closed, a few guys from my company were conscripted, I know 3 men who died...

I can ensure you this is not some sort of parody

Sure Uncle Tom! If it's so great, why they have to force people into it?

I was conscripted, I fired 20 bullets over 12 months, I get more practise over weekend of paintball! Rest was just bullying, cleaning toilets and scraping potatoes. They would not even let me drive a truck, because I was too "unreliable"!

Technically it is voluntary. You do not have to sign it, but in most states you get criminal record for not signing it.

Gov needs it to be "voluntary", or else they could be sued for compensations.

If there is a war, do not sign it!