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Was inevitable but it is cool to see that the Cursor team are really making good use of the tech. Tab complete + the new Composer model are very good at targeted, narrow tasks.

Just want to say love your work! Js-interop was super useful when I was working in clojurescript land.

Something like off chain calculations or state management which then can be subtree’d out and used on chain. I think something like 1inch or Paraswap style of app were you need to do huge, in single tx terms, calculations to optimize trades across dexs and then provably import that work on chain. In reality because this is so new I doubt many people have any idea how to actually use it effectively right now but there is a lot of potential.

And more importantly this is what a lot of people are doing in industry, for better or worse, and so seeing this all laid out together is important IMO.

For what it's worth my grandfather has a laundry shoot in his home, but his is in the wall and is small enough that a child would have difficulty fitting through if they should reach.

Just to add to this idea, it's important to understand when the circle is near the start or end especially. I found myself not sure when to start breathing and not sure when to stop. I think the color idea will definitely help but sure if this specifically addresses this issue.

Either way very cool idea for an app

That is extremely fair but again it doesn't have deep hooks and the convenience that Javascript and CRA have with, for example Intellij. This isn't a problem that is easily solved, Colin is only one person and JetBrains is a huge team, but it is still a gap that Clojure needs to have a story around to attract more developers and to make our lives as devs starting new projects easier.

Part of the problem could have been that I was using Spacemacs and package support and that may have broken it but circling back around this connects with meeting people halfway, I don't want to learn Emacs style control, I know Vim, Vim works elsewhere, and I just want to write Clojure. I can do that now with Cursive so the trade off isn't worth it. A lot of people learning feel and think this way in my experience, especially if I selling Clojure to someone who is reluctant, anecdotally at least 4 people I know have followed this path, I am sure it extends beyond them.

Per the big files, its not so much Clojure but output at the REPL. Especially as a noob accidentally grabbing way to much data for a buffer is really easy, Emacs hangs, REPL and process dies and has to be rebooted and you have to bring up everything again. This is non-trivial friction when learning and should really be handled gracefully by the editor.

As for everything else regarding Emacs and learning all these points stand and are valid but still don't address the problem of someone wanting to learn Clojure and instead having to learn Emacs + Clojure + Cider. For someone just starting on the path most won't have more than 3 files of CLJ and may not even interact with Lein or Deps. Refactoring IS important but not to them. I just don't think the trade off is worth it for someone just toying around with CLJ in their free time. It may not be the best metric but "time to hello world" and "time to blog" matter to people coming in because it shows that the promise that they are sold is something that they can reach and achieve.

Mostly that there is an interplay between the config that gets spit out by CRA and the editors that consume it, I don't need to give intellij the run config for the 400th time, it's just there by default. I click run and it runs.

An exercise for you to try that might illustrate it. Setup create-react-app and get hello world up and running. Now do the same with Clojurescript. That should include a way to hot reload and edit because that is often the next steps.

Notice the friction that CLJS still has and the aimlessness of starting from a build script as is suggested on the Clojure site vs getting a functional build in two commands.

I don't want to come across as ungrateful for the hard work that David and Alex and the whole team put in, they are the only reason have dev tools that feel comfortable to me and I can't thank them enough for that, but I just want to point out that friction and difficulty and to try and get people who do understand to put themselves in the shoes of developers who don't and to acknowledge that we as a community can aspire to more.

I have posted about this before but Clojure does have tooling problems specifically ergonomics.

Look at create-react-app. Two commands and a ton of editor integration across intellij, vscode, vim, etc gives you incredible access to a rich ecosystem and plugs together really nicely with sensible defaults.

Clojure has some answers in this space but everything feels bolted on and not nearly as polished. A big part of the problem is the size of the community, there just isn't enough hands to build out the infrastructure that other langs enjoy.

I still love Clojure and will continue to use it but in order to do so I have to understand that some simpler things will just be more work.

Unsurprising but still sad to see it be officially cancelled. Having gone the last few years and growing up on Blizzard's games it does feel slowly like Blizzard is losing their way and this kind of throws salt in the wound, not that anyone is to blame for this particular situation.

I think this is a natural reaction to advice being over prescribed and totally agree that in your free time you should do whatever it is you want and this is solid advice.

BUT I think we should also acknowledge that everything that slows you down in your free time has a reason for existing and most of that is communication or knowledge sharing within a team. Naming conventions, unit tests, and general documentation all exist to help other team members keep up with the pace of changes in the repository. If you're not planning to do something in a team setting or for this to be consumed outside of the work that you do then you don't need these things. But if you want to share with everyone else it's important that you don't totally ignore these things because it will come back to bite you in the long run.