Q_is_4_Quantum
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So fine - the superdeterminism conspiracy is local iff it can then be carried forwards billions of years in time, ensure that those specially correlated photons were emitted towards the right set of monkeys orbiring this insignificant star, and so on.
Alternatively you could also make the settings choices based on what the Dow Jones finishes on tomorrow and whether or not you personally went to the toilet before it closes. If those really are conspiratorially correlated in just such a way as to fool us into seeing "Bell violations", then why aren't you rich?
If thats the price of "saving locality" I'm not having anything to do with it, and most other physicists feel the same. The superdeterminists are vocal not persuasive.
Of course there are many other challenges (why does science even work if I can never "really" do independent replications of experiments and so on.) Scott Aaronson has a good rant about it somewhere...
Interestingly (to me!) it took a while in the 90’s/early 00’s for the community to realise that there are distinct questions:
Question A: Does there exist a set of target states and measurements that implement the task
Question B: Can mistrustful parties find a communication protocol that securely (from their perspective) create/implement those states/measurments.
An example where the answer to A is “no” is fully secure oblivious transfer. There were a bunch of misguided papers trying to find communication protocols for OT, but they were doomed from the start!
An example where the answer to A is “yes" but to B is “no” is strong coin flipping. And an example where the answer to both is “yes” is weak coin flipping. (See Carlos Mochon’s magnus opus arxiv 0711.4114 for the coin flipping examples).
I first articulated the distinction between A and B quant-ph/0202143 but left the proof about OT and Question A as an exercise to the reader! Roger Colbeck in arxiv 0708.2843 provided a simple proof and elucidated the whole situation a lot I think.
Give the humans an order 1,2,3,…, and let a referee read them in that order. Person k tosses one fair coin and reports H/T. The referee stops at the first time the reported heads exceed the reported tails. If N people were consulted, choose one of those N uniformly at random. Output heads iff that chosen person’s coin was heads.
For a one-pass version: instead of storing the whole consulted prefix, the referee can keep a single “currently marked” consulted person, and when the k-th consulted coin arrives, replace the mark by that new person with probability 1/k. When the process stops, the marked person is uniform among the consulted ones.
My first thought does not achieve the task: expand pi/4 as a sum of positive rational numbers, then have each human use a couple of fair coins from their own Bernoulli factory to output a coin that is heads with probability given by their assigned rational number. The n'th human gets told the partial sum up to that point, flips their bernoulli factory coin and either terminates the protocol if they get heads, otherwise they adds their term to the partial sum they received and passes it on. The problem is the information content in the partial sums will grow with n.
I have an extremely vague question; Is there one of these "stupid" ways of computing pi that doesn't involve an infeasible (to humans) infinity? I'm comparing to the "have pick people random integers and the probability they are coprime is 6/pi^2" method, which, again, to really work involves some poor people wasting an infinity of their lives. Your scheme does too from what I understand? Is this necessary?
Off topic: If you search for "quantum bernoulli factory" you will find some work I did that shows f(p)=2p is achievable if your "quantum coins" are presented as coherent superpositions instead of classical incoherent mixtures. Your work on exact sampling completely blew my mind (I'm a physicist!) while I was trying to undersantd that whole field.
If for any of these topics you do manage to get a summary you'd agree with from a (future or better-prompted?) LLM I'd like to read it. Particularly the first and third, the second is somewhat familiar and the fourth was a bit vague.
Is finding exponentially inefficient ways of factorizing interesting?
[And at least I knew his name already unlike our current laureates whom I just had to look up!]
https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.10...
That particular proposal was mathematically wrong for reasons I still find physically perplexing (it turns out that for some events quantum theory allows for stronger memory records - defined via classial mutual information - of entropy decreasing events!). A simple example is in here: https://arxiv.org/abs/0909.1726 (I am second author).