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This is slop that looks like it was made with a single prompt

AI generated everything. Dude probably didn't even look at the examples.

Same here Fable has been thrash on my 5x Max, it's definitely been quantized, but not through API which is 10-20x as expensive.

So yeah, different people get different quality. I wouldn't be surprised if it calculates a wealth level, willingness to upgrade, influence, usage levels, etc. and decides what models to serve.

It's extremely obvious to me they've nerfed all models on my 5 Max from Fable to even 4.6, but i've tried through enterprise with huge differences in quality, and i've seen other people experiencing this both on reddit and twitter.

Using it through Bedrock / API the 200$ subscription costs upwards of 6000$ a month.

How do you guys afford this, huge company that grants this?

Definitely not viable for my lean startup.

I think you misunderstand what i'm saying: the companies are not profitable yet, it's the ROI on the investments, not that these tools are useless, very much the opposite, but the business model is not viable, hence the price increase and degrading quality, slower responses etc. I agree theres still progress but its slowing and we're probably near peak.

I'll say everything indicates we've hit or are near peak for the masses at least (unless you start paying 50x more) but to each his own.

4.6 was best for us and right now yeah OpenAI and others are edging forward, but slower while prices are increasing industry wide as much as 20x, time to completion is increasing wildly and i'm sure they'll do the same over at OpenAI as their compute constraints also start to take a toll ie degrade performance.

In my view 4.6 era was way faster and with less weirdness so we've gone downwards at least in my company, 4.7 was ridiculous, then 4.8 was almost 4.6 level, 5 is even worse than 4.7 - so it's not a bit up and down its down then a little up then further down.

And all of this is against a backdrop of zero ROI in this sector - so it makes sense we've hit a peak and we're now seeing the subsidisation phase begin to falter, will there be better models certainly but only for short amounts before they get quantised (or whatever is happening behind the scenes), and with diminishing returns over huge prices increases and slower responses.

Exactly, the most important part is to still engineer the schematics 100%, diagram whats going on and steer it towards these set-in-stone standards and patterns, otherwise you'll have no idea whats going on fast.

I good exercise for me is to constantly look at the folder structure and skim the code, i don't have to approve every line, but the primitives, the datastructures and other skeleton should be human readable, hand writable in an easy maintainable way following existing standards / libs. etc - so you can continue if suddenly all AI disappeared.

True, and the time to completion thing is something i haven't seen much discussion of, because everything is sloooooow these days.

I've even considered the claude "fast mode" setting, but thats only 2x and at least 20x as expensive as the 5x plan so can't afford that atm for my company.

Peak for me was 4.6 and it just did stuff blazing fast, both Opus5 and Fable is way, way slower for me, breaks stuff, uses bizarre cryptic language. As i've said elsewhere in this thread to me it's pretty obvious there's huge downgrades because of economy with various "clever" fixes that makes them work, albeit slower and weirder, ie. you get less for what you pay increasingly over the last 6 months.

From my view Fable has been pure marketing bullshit, my workflows peaked at 4.6, Fable is neither smarter, its language is more annoying and it breaks stuff more easily.

I've gone back to 4.8.

5 would constantly veer of in random directions if not working from 100% strict and narrow instructions.

I find it weird there's not more discussion here on HN on how the most used model now has clearly degraded in quality and it seems we've hit a peak and are on a downslope - because the model is clearly smaller or more economical for Anthropic no doubt about it, and the benchmaxxing they do is pure marketing bs - Fable in my view has also been not much better than 4.6 or 4.8 after a few days, disregarding the insane amounts of astroturfing and marketing everywhere.

Theres thousands of threads of twitter, reddit and the internet at large but silence here. Weird but not weird as crypto bs was also insufferably rampant here for a while.

Personally i think we've hit the top of the subsidisation phase and prices will probably 10-15x soon as foreshadowed with both API price policy changes from all the big providers, and now the 1100% deepseek API price changes from yesterday, this could domino into a market implosion and an AI winter, because expecting growth from the bizarre bubble carousel investments with little ROI atm is just not viable.

A bit worried about this as i've already grown quite accustomed to these tools.

it very much is here in Scandinavia and has been for 30+ minutes..

Same question, i avoid facebooks toxic mind control feeds like the plague so this move was beyond gross (everyone i know is on FB in Scandinavia sadly).

I really hope EU or some other instance says you can't just mix propaganda, insanity and ads with simple messages to friends and family.

Hackernews has also been completely co-opted by boosters.

So much that i don't really visit anymore after 15 years of use.

It's a bizarre situation with billions in marketing and PR, astroturfing and torrents of fake news with streams of comments beneath them with zero skepticism and an almost horrifying worship of these billion dollar companies.

Something completely flipped here at some point, i don't know if it's because YC is also heavily pro these companies, and embedded with them, requiring YC applicants to slop code their way in, then cheering about it.

Either way it's incredibly sad and remind me of the worst casino economy, nft's, crypto, web3 while there's actually an interesting core, regex on steroids with planning aspects, but it's constantly oversold.

I say that as a daily user of Claude Max for over a year.

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