Gwypaas
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That is a strawman argument. Coal has generally been uneconomical since the advent of combined cycle gas turbines where gas infrastructure exists. Today renewables are vastly undercutting both.
Trying to frame it as a choice between nuclear and coal is only made because nuclear does not stack up against the real competition in 2023.
> I forget what a life saved is worth in engineering terms. Something like 1 or 10 million per capita I think. $200 billion in cleanup only needs to save ~200-2,000 lives to be justified.
Or we just build power generation without those third party risks. I do not understand why you are trying to frame a $200 billion cleanup bill as "nothing to see, move along sheeple!".
> I'm cool with the idea that they should fix their pipe. I'm not cool with it being treated like a big deal without pretty solid evidence that the deal is big.
Almost all nuclear accidents final hole in the Swiss cheese is some sort of loss of cooling. When the backup power fails due to negligent maintenance that is a big deal.
Fukushima led to us building stockpiles of backup generators together with the necessary electric connections allowing us us to fly them in with helicopters and connect them if the primary ones fail. Saying that failure in the primary ones is "fine, nothing to see" is sticking your head in the sand.
Take the severe Forsmark incident in 2006 in Sweden. Many of the "defense in depth" layers had been accidentally removed through freak occurrences and upgrades. Thus loss of cooling became almost a certainty. That is why you test and do not accept half fixes to placate the operators profit margin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forsmark_Nuclear_Power_Plant#J...
> And the downside of that risk coming to fruition is a 0-death to near-0-death crisis (which is much better than whatever this precise external shock will cause).
And a at least $200B bill to cleanup the mess in Fukushimas case. Lets remove the Price Anderson Act so they have to pay the true cost for their risk?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price%E2%80%93Anderson_Nuclear...
For example, every single line of code is simply a scratchpad if I don't sync it to a remote git instance.
For my off site backup I have a computer which syncs everything to local storage. I guess I don't defend against malicious intent or "delete it all" software bugs but that tends to end up as en exercise in insanity.
Take for example Hinkley Point C, that costs €0.15 per kWh for the consumers. How does that compare?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinkley_Point_C_nuclear_powe...
> “And what’s particularly worrying is the lack of a core catcher, which in the event of a failure of the emergency reactor core systems, would retain the nuclear fuel once it breached the reactor pressure vessel. On top of that, concrete cracking in all four reactor containment buildings hasn’t helped, nor has installation of faulty pilot-operated safety relief valves.”
https://www.power-technology.com/features/divided-opinion-in...
> The same argument according to which solar panels and such will become cheaper as demand increases (because of economies of scale and technical improvements) also applies to nuclear power plants.
The French nuclear scale-up famously did negative learning by doing. Economics of scale is not something you can assume. This is from before Flamanvile 3 started, that is even more negative learning.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03014...
It is hard to finance a plant when you will on average sell the power at a loss. The money has to come from somewhere.
Let's remove all laws where the public bear the cost of accidents then? Should be fine since it's the safest!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price%E2%80%93Anderson_Nuclear...
That is for the U.S., but equivalent laws exist in all countries with nuclear power plants.
The recent nuclear plants constructed in the west requires something like $5-15B above the market price in subsidies, of course depending on size. Would be interesting to know how they intend to solve that.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Arnold_S...