Grimm1

Not entirely, certain services are free forever and this reduction is one of them.

I agree it has generally been a sham for a long time. If we actually believed strongly in free markets we would have let the various financial institutions die in 2008. I personally believe smaller regional players would have stepped in and we may have had a stronger recovery after a worse initial depression as those players fill the gap.

Let's also see the real consequences of the rapidly increasing inflation too in the coming years from the last couple stimulus bills. I wouldn't be too quick to look at QE as a panacea.

Seems like we've been treating symptoms instead of addressing various root causes for a long long time.

Ah yup you are definitely correct, that is what I meant.

I get that I can run this as a SPA, but then don't I lose out on the prerendered HTML fetched from the server? That's what I mean by isometric with Node.

I really wish there were frameworks that developed ways to plug in with your already favorite backend kit instead of solely isometric with Node.

You couldn't pay me to give up Phoenix in Elixir for backend work but it does lock off a healthy amount of the neat things being done to make data loading on the frontend more optimal. Phoenix has LiveView + AlpineJS but I really don't want to give up React which still feels more productive to me.

This looks neat but just like NextJS and Sapper it will not nicely play with my stack.

I partially judge the novelty of the problem I'm solving by the level of access to information about it I have. You realize you're on the edge of knowledge when you're deep down in the research papers and there's only a couple papers on the subject and you implement from there. The solutions you come up with from that tend to be the most rewarding and unfortunately relative to all the mundane work few and far between. I think I run into that type of problem a few times a year, if even.

I talk about encryption which cuts the confusion nicely even if it isn't a perfect replacement but I find lay people don't care about the general field of cryptography they care about privacy and from that, encryption. I've been able to get a few people onto signal for instance by going that route.

Unfortunately language isn't a static thing and is somewhat defined by the dominant usage of something over time (unless you're in the rare country that has fully prescriptive language). I had been using crypto as shorthand for cryptography for a long time but cryptocurrency quickly subsumed that. If I talk to any of my non technical friends, and even technical friends who don't touch cryptography, crypto = cryptocurrency. I think the war is lost here.

Congrats Kevin and Guru on the launch. Happy to see this on here, I was wondering when you’d do your Launch HN. These are real problems that a lot of data teams have and I’m glad to see this making it into the wild!

I see Deno getting a lot of play here, and I think rightfully so. The recent globally distributed chat example in like 20 lines of code is basically the level of accessibility I like seeing brought to otherwise very complicated distributed systems setups.

That said how is Deno being seen in relation to Node, iirc Deno is being made to correct on a lot of the issues Node originally had but I’m curious about adoption and how this is going to fit in the JS world where Node has become so cemented, what’s the killer feature to move those people over?

Or is that not the play, will this peacefully coexist?

I'd say many aggregators do offer value to the rest of humanity but I imagine there are probably some exceptions and also not all scraper services offer no value it's just different value to different people.

Some scraping services make their money by offering scraping services to companies for specific information and you could argue they provide value to other businesses that way, but not to the broader "rest of humanity".

So I'm not sure it's as simple as just "aggregator" good "scraping service" bad as value provided takes on many different forms, and that's what makes this difficult.

I guess it may come down to your take on what you think of middlemen, because they are all effectively middlemen in the data economy.

Edit: I was rereading your comment, in respect directly to the value added to the content, then yes maybe it is more clear that aggregators are in principle different because they do add that value where scraping services that sell the data do not offer any enrichment to the content creator. I personally think protecting content aggregators that republish the data to create visibility or other value for the content creator to the extent that they're not worried about being sued for that is probably a worthwhile thing to happen because of the net benefit to our ability to find information/content.

Heh at the end I think I may have been called out for my harsh response to the post being referenced at the start here on HN since it seemed to raise some hackles. Borrowing from other social media terminology here, "subtweeted" but by a blog post, not sure how I feel about that.

Honestly it almost makes me feel compelled to start writing more for the industry but to be honest, my opinion is most ideas are not great, or not novel, up to and including my own. So writing about them seems likely not to be beneficial. I guess you could argue I could let the industry be the judge of that though.

I asked before making a mistake, I also asked to do some light market validation. Try to keep the ad hominems down. If you can't make an argument against the point and have to attack me as a person, it's just validation. Most of my contributions here are in my upvoted comments like my op, which clearly a good amount of people share.

Generally speaking I don't want to submit most things, largely and because like this post I find most thoughts people have to be garbage, including my own, most things and people simply aren't interesting or useful.

I'd say most crawlers are looking to provide enriched value for content at their end use. Google is just an aggregator (the biggest by far) but other aggregators are looking to provide similar value.

I'm actually cool assuming there is implicit harm and no benefit, but by that logic we need to tear google down too. I'm cool making that trade but it has to be done equally.

If you can't make that trade then you've weighed the value provided by an organization like google to be more valuable than the copyright of these content creators and I want other players who may want to be able to challenge google to have the same protections and access google does to have a chance at providing the same value.