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I could see that.

Apple wants to design the best UI for everything and be the front-end to everything their users interact with.

Home automation is a good place to gain market share among their upper income clientele.

In the US PE is protected, not the vague "Engineer" tittle.

So Missouri would only go after someone representing themselves as a licensed PE without holding a PE license.

The Canadian law is full of exemptions for non-engineering profession still being able to use the tittle "engineer". Train engineer, airplane engineer (for a driver and maintenance technician respectively).

Honestly, it's not a good law.

PE is protected in most states, "Engineer" isn't.

That's what the Oregon case was about.

Not sure I follow here.

I've worked with many software doctors, folks with doctorates (PhD either in Software Engineering or Computer Science).

> 2. I'm kinda surprised those firms were even trying to get green cards for their employees. I thought their whole model was to rotate offshore people into the US for temporary assignments on H1-Bs.

Certainly not at Microsoft.

> 3. That was always kinda bullshit and was unfair to everyone. You've got some guy who's settled, been working for years, made friends, etc. then you check that there's no US qualified worker? That check should have always been the first step of an H1-B. Delaying it actually made me pretty sympathetic to the attempts to game the system to prevent and American from getting the job.

There's a similar evaluation done for H1B.

True, I'll edit the first part of my comment

> Companies get sued, programmers generally do not.

Which makes sense. Software is generally purchased from a company, not an individual programmer.

> Companies don't really care about being sued either, as evidenced by the fact that they still don't bother to prevent bad code from being shipped.

They do care about code so bad it'll get them a lawsuit.

> No real risk of lawsuits

This is a joke right? Companies get sued for software all the time.

>> NCEES will discontinue the Principles and Practice of Engineering (PE) Software Engineering exam after the April 2019 exam administration. Since the original offering in 2013, the exam has been administered five times, with a total population of 81 candidates.

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> If you don't want the same rigor, if you can't handle the same rigor, you don't get the same respect. Because you don't deserve it.

It's an interesting opinion, but the reason nobody took the exam is that, unlike other PE disciplines, there are no jurisdictions with legal requirement to hold a PE license to write software.

For example, here for a building to be constructed, the plans need to be approved by a licensed PE if it's above a certain height and footprint. Note that you only need one PE to approve, not that all engineers working on the design have to hold PE licenses.

> I don’t think the US either?

"Engineer" isn't in the US. P.E is.

You only need a P.E license if you are going to perform certain specific tasks. For example, in some jurisdiction, plans for a building above a certain height or floor size must be signed by a licensed P.E.

Not all engineering disciplines are covered by a P.E exam.

> I believe in some European countries you’re not allowed to call yourself any kind of “Engineer” without being a member of a professional body? > So ironically if that was the case Margaret Hamilton would not have been allowed to coin the term

Had she been in Europe, she would not have been a part of the Apollo project, something so cutting edge it required new disciplines to be invented like Software Engineering, for the term to be coined in the first place.