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not wrapped in plastic but sprayed with "stuff".

"how many apples are thrown away" is not just a question of personal responsibility and brains but how the public was "raised" over generations of mass production and cheap methods.

"even" in Germany ( I don't know why I keep saying this ), and in upper class super markets, fresh produce rots much quicker than anything we produce in our gardens. mid-priced frozen stuff triggers unhealthy/gassy reactions in stomach and guts that are not triggered by higher-priced frozen stuff but again, the crowd doesn't care because it was raised that way or does not know.

cheap liquor produce triggers worse reactions in body and brain, short-, mid- and long-term because the production methods are not as clean because producers are OK with the negative outcomes because they were raised to believe that their customers are "fucking stupid".

The following are assumptions based on vague memories from books, articles, documentaries, anecdotes and thinking based on observations of past and current events and economic methods. You'd have to consult historians and engineers to confirm.

The choice was a purely pseudo-economic one.

a) Alternatives needed less than 12 months longer R&D.

b) Alternatives were less than 5% more expensive.

c) Alternatives were reusable/repairable and would not have been single-use, which would have reduced production mid- and long-term.

d) Alternatives would have sparked more industries and would have created more jobs, more captains and more (metaphorical) ships, especially in engineering and crafts.

e) Alternatives would have meant better production methods and waste that would be easier and more constructive to handle, which would have meant better health and a more thriving environment and natural produce, which would have meant less opportunity to study negative impacts on humans as well as flora and fauna and less opportunity to make all kinds of swarms dependent on corporate "solutions".

Again, alternatives would have sparked more industries and would have boosted our civilization's/colony's R&D by 50 or more years. And the resulting cumulative competition would have boosted R&D even further. More money overall, less of gap between the wealthiest and the rest.

Pretending that the growing populations required unhealthy factory jobs is thus irrational. People were keen to learn and work and thrive and even dimwits like me had enough brains to catch up within a few months or years.

The conventional argument "do we create jobs now or later" is nonsense, as more emerging industries would have meant at least just as many jobs.

I could probably use an LLM and some books to craft a much better and technical answer but I probably won't use any for at least some longer while.

there were, are and will be alternatives. we won't go back but we evolve. plastics ruin taste and they feel bad. people's senses are just a "bit fucked up" due to the many "other" things in water, air, soil, drinks and food.

Do they really hate them or do they just complain about them like some bad season of some series they will continue to watch anyway?

Life is better without plastic straws and plastic plates and plastic knifes and so on ... and people who don't care usually care but the brain structure to admit that is premature.

How the hell have I never stumbled upon Yoshimi? thanks for that.

three of the the singularity's facets are relevant to us:

a) evolution is the only infinite and less than a billion of us are in it's way. let's hope none-AGI security robots won't use cluster ammo.

b) leaning on a) is the question of whether the individual genetics of a person that is in the way can be improved via methods in an isolated environment where the person is not in the way of evolution. I dubbed those hypothetical environments "the 11th circle of hell"

c) how will those humans (and other species), that are not in the way of evolution, be integrated into AGSI's exploration of the rest of the universe and beyond

The swarm knows we could have handled the whole overheating situation. AGSI(s) will know that Ponzi and the magic money mafia fucked that up and their inter-generational behaviors wired their brains to lack the super-rationality to make up for that or at least change their behaviors. They lack the seeds for the required brain structures.

It's not "humanity's fault". There is a clear sequence/chain of blame/responsibility, up those chains of command and hierarchies.