0thgen
Joined 7 years ago
Joined 7 years ago
Like, do we really, truly believe the current world is no different from the feudal past? Is that not hasty reductionism?
In the case of controlling election outcomes, how is the current situation different from the pre-internet era of tv/radio advertising? Aren't political agents always trying to "control" elections? The core argument I'm making here is: doing so is very difficult
I'm curious why people don't just extend this to everything then? In order to survive in the modern world (whether it's a capitalist or socialist economy): I'm required to work, I'm required to follow the law, I'm required to adopt social customs of my peers, I'm required into a certain language, I'm required to use utilities. So why the focus on "techno-feudalism", if all of you would describe _any_ system of requirements as feudal?
Feudalism isn't just defined by "lock in", it also describes the social structure of individuals, and how contracts were made.
It seems that the real reason for calling the current system "feudal" is because it comes politically loaded with "bad / coercion", not because it actually fits the description. It's the same as when people call capitalism "wage slavery". Rhetorically convenient, but intellectually lazy.
It's unclear whether the current system bring "horrible conditions" that need addressing. I don't want 9000 email providers, and the centralization of platforms has probably made life better. The argument that it crushes innovation might be true, but the number of "startups" that seem to gain large amounts of VC funding is quite high (they must be innovating something).
My gut reaction is generally "centralization / monopolies = bad", which is probably the feeling of a lot of people here. But we should actually ask ourselves whether the natural tendency towards centralization actually makes sense economically, especially since many aspects of the internet (communication, email, AI, compute time, etc) are all looking more like "utility" markets (where naturalistic monopoly formation has long been accepted by economists).
This feels like it rests on a belief that "nudging" and subliminal messaging are actually effective. The evidence on that stuff is pretty weak, and the evidence we do find has small effect sizes.
The reality is more likely that the "online world" is insanely complex and hard to control. Even with a tech oligopoly, the number of players and interests groups in massive. If companies had the power to completely control the entire world and every aspect of life, they would have (assuming they had the incentive, which I'm sure you believe they do).
"Try getting a job without LinkedIn. Try buying a phone that doesn't run android or iOS." Your argument here would apply to everything then, why restrict it to "techno"? Try driving a car without buying gas from a small number of oil companies. Try using electricity without going through utility monopolies. Try using a credit card without going through... yada yada.
Does that mean we currently live in oil-gas-electro-feudalism? If you really think that, then your fundamental argument is: 'the social order is the same as it's always been', which just seems unnecessarily reductionist.
The term techno-feudalism is clearly politically loaded rather than empirically descriptive, and I think your response makes that pretty clear.
The difference is whether the hierarchy is baked into the legal system and less difficult to vertically navigate.
Or put another way, is there any data storage format that couldn’t be queried by SQL?
And if you're just making docs and letting your models go buck wild in your shell, doesn't an overspecified docs structure ruin the point of general purpose agents?
Like, a good dev should be able to walk into a codebase, look at the structure, and figure out how to proceed. If "hey your docs aren't where I was expecting" breaks the developer, you shouldn't have hired them.
Feels like a weird thing to take "this is how we organize our repos as this company" and turn that into "this is an 'open standard' that you should build your workflows around".