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Comment by jonascopenhagen

Pretty much sums up how I feel about most of the big frameworks (Zend in particular, but also Symfony and CakePHP).

The problem of over-engineering isn't just related to the big PHP frameworks - the same problem exists in Python and Ruby.

At its core, web development is about taking some user input, validating it, throwing it in a database, and displaying it again (perhaps slightly modified) to users. That's a fairly simple concept, and frameworks should reflect that.

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