You're trying too hard to find suffering. It should have been clear I was comparing to "short lives of borderline starvation before they are eaten" and "torture", not to a paradise without disease.
Most humans and most medium to large animals live pretty comfortable lives by default. It's easy and simple to draw a line where they're above the line.
The claim above is about mice. I don't know if nervous tiny prey have consistently worse lives than lab treatment in the wild, but it's not an immediately outrageous claim.
Most humans and most medium to large animals live pretty comfortable lives by default. It's easy and simple to draw a line where they're above the line.
The claim above is about mice. I don't know if nervous tiny prey have consistently worse lives than lab treatment in the wild, but it's not an immediately outrageous claim.