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Comment by apenwarr

(Tailscale cofounder) Many years ago I made a VPN for experimental purposes that kept IPsec’s data plane but abandoned IKE. It’s actually a pretty good arrangement and might be applicable here.

My implementation relied on the extremely finicky Linux kernel IPsec and would never have worked in userspace macOS or windows. But yes, a Tailscale control plane with a per-node switchable data plane, one of which is IPsec with PQC, is a real option that would work.

By locking down the control plane it becomes incompatible with classic IPsec, but also avoids most of the security gotchas that plagued IPsec.

parent apenwarr 1 month ago

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