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Comment by sltkr

And to show my objections are not just theoretical I wrote a little program to check:

    #include <time.h>
    #include <stdio.h>
    
    static int estimate_entropy(long l) {
        int bits = 1; /* for the sign bit */
        if (l < 0) l = -l;
        while (l > 0) {
            ++bits;
            l >>= 1;
        }
        return bits;
    }
    
    int main() {
        struct timespec ts;
        if (clock_getres(CLOCK_REALTIME, &ts) != 0) {
            perror("clock_getres");
            return 1;
        }
        printf("Clock resolution: %ld.%09ld\n", (long) ts.tv_sec, (long) ts.tv_nsec);
        
        #define N 50  /* number of samples */
        struct timespec samples[N];
        for (int i = 0; i < N; ++i) {
            clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, &samples[i]);
        }
    
        printf("Deltas (ns):");
        long deltas[N - 1];
        for (int i = 0; i < N - 1; ++i) {
            deltas[i] = 
                (samples[i + 1].tv_sec - samples[i].tv_sec)*1000000000L
                + (samples[i + 1].tv_nsec - samples[i].tv_nsec);
            printf(" %4ld", deltas[i]);
        }
        printf("\n");
        long entropy = 0;
        printf("Deltas of deltas: ");
        for (int i = 0; i < N - 2; ++i) {
            long dd = deltas[i + 1] - deltas[i];
            printf(" %4ld", dd);
            entropy += estimate_entropy(dd);
        }
        printf("\n");
        printf("Maximum entropy: %lld\n", entropy);
    }
On my system this prints:

    Clock resolution: 0.000000001
    Deltas (ns):   55   51   23   23   25   24   24   24   24   24   25   25   24   24   24   24   24   25   24   24   24   25   25   24   24   23   25   24   24   25   24   23   25   25   26   23   25   24   24   25   26   24   23   25   25   26   24   25   24
    Deltas of deltas:    -4  -28    0    2   -1    0    0    0    0    1    0   -1    0    0    0    0    1   -1    0    0    1    0   -1    0   -1    2   -1    0    1   -1   -1    2    0    1   -3    2   -1    0    1    1   -2   -1    2    0    1   -2    1   -1
    Maximum entropy: 92
So no, 50 iterations of that loop does not provide 256 bits of entropy due to random fluctuations in nanontime between calls.
parent sltkr 1 month ago

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