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The “client-side problems” Siebenmann is talking about are the various anti-bot measures (CAPTCHAs, rate limiters, etc.) that operators put in place that make the end user experience worse. Operators feel that they have no choice but to keep their servers available, thus they “don’t care”.

He makes a statement in an earlier article that I think sums things up nicely:

> One thing I've wound up feeling from all this is that the current web is surprisingly fragile. A significant amount of the web seems to have been held up by implicit understandings and bargains, not by technology. When LLM crawlers showed up and decided to ignore the social things that had kept those parts of the web going, things started coming down all over the place.

This social contract is, to me, built around the idea that a human will direct the operation of a computer in real time (largely by using a web browser and clicking links) but I think that this approach is extremely inefficient of both the computer’s and the human’s resources (cpu and time, respectively). The promise of technology should not be to put people behind desks staring at a screen all day, so this evolution toward automation must continue.

I do wonder what the new social contract will be: Perhaps access to the majority of servers will be gated by micropayments, but what will the “deal” be for those who don’t want to collect payments? How will they prevent abuse while keeping access free?

[1] “The current (2025) crawler plague and the fragility of the web”https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/WebIsKindOfFrag...

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