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Sabine Hossenfelder chimed in [0] on this discussion a couple days ago. I generally find her to be trustworthy on topics related to physics:

> The easiest way to see that gravity is not a force is to note that a force causes acceleration, but gravity does not.

> Acceleration is measurable with a device called an accelerometer. Acceleration is not relative (like velocity), it's absolute.

> If you are standing on the surface of Earth, an accelerometer will show that you are accelerated in the upward direction. That's because a force is acting on you from below, it's the solidity of Earth's crust (or whatever you are standing on), going back to a combination of electromagnetic forces and the Pauli principle.

> If you take away that support from Earth, eg by jumping off a plane, you are not accelerated. You are freely falling. Since you are not accelerated, there is no force acting on you. You experience gravity but no force, hence gravity is not a force.

> We can assign a pseudo-force to gravity by defining it as acceleration relative to the surface of Earth. This is how Newtonian gravity works. One can derive it from general relativity as an approximation.

> Physicists frequently do refer to gravity as a force anyway -- even I do -- because that's linguistically simpler. But it's like we say "internet" rather than "world wide web" even though we know that the two aren't the same, just because "internet" is simpler.

> So I usually don't pick on this. But strictly speaking, gravity is indeed not a force. If you have doubts about it, buy an accelerometer and do your own research...

[0] https://x.com/skdh/status/1850120005070799153

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