A conversation about second order effects against first order deliverables. This is proof of the obvious because very few people seriously believed their emission cost inputs exceeded their energy production, it's been necessary to prove it because of politics, not serious scientific questions to their aggregate burden.
During early years on lower efficiency sure, it's possible wind and solar had higher input costs and lifetime burdens than they produced. We're well beyond that phase now.
If you don't think this, ask yourself if the gas wastage, consumption and fugitive emission at production and supply chain facilities in aggregate is ever costed against the energy returns through the use of the product. I never see serious analysis of things like fugitive gas emissions on the cost side of gas production overall. CCS had no solution for this. It's huge.
During early years on lower efficiency sure, it's possible wind and solar had higher input costs and lifetime burdens than they produced. We're well beyond that phase now.
If you don't think this, ask yourself if the gas wastage, consumption and fugitive emission at production and supply chain facilities in aggregate is ever costed against the energy returns through the use of the product. I never see serious analysis of things like fugitive gas emissions on the cost side of gas production overall. CCS had no solution for this. It's huge.