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Comment by mike_hearn

Is it not true? Not everything needs to be secure, just the right parts. The test is whether you can jailbreak the devices and not be detected by their RA scheme. As far as I know, there's no (public) way to do this.

BTW, this tech isn't new. In practice if you are vertically integrating, it's possible to make things secure enough. Games consoles have been doing this for years. Even in the Xbox 360 era, the use of local exploits was detectable the moment you connected to Xbox Live, and AFAIK Xbox One remains completely unmoddable/unjailbroken even after a decade into its lifespan.

There's a tech talk here by a member of the Xbox team who talk about how they secured it against physical attack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7VwtOrwceo

But bear in mind, RA was never the weak point even of the 360.

Making remote attestation secure is a well studied problem in the industry. It's been done several times. You have to be a competent tech firm producing your own hardware/software combos, and you need a competent security team, but there are several companies that meet that criteria and Apple is definitely one of them.

parent mike_hearn 3 years ago

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