Comment by 0xbadcafebee

No offense intended, but most PMs I've met are fucking useless. Mybe they provide some value to the business that I'm not aware of? But they seem clueless about how to interact with an engineering team, and things like the product being a complete swiss-cheese shit-show that crashes when you blow on it wrong come as a complete shock to them. Every other kind of product has some basic metrics to determine its quality, yet the PMs seem clueless of anything that isn't in their Jira roadmap. But maybe I've just had bad luck...