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Comment by threatofrain

> You might say the standard natural numbers are those of the form 1 + ··· + 1, where we add 1 to itself some finite number of times. But what does 'finite number' mean here? It means a standard natural number! So this is circular.

> So, conceivably, the concept of 'standard' natural number, and the concept of 'standard' model of Peano arithmetic, are more subjective than most mathematicians think. Perhaps some of my 'standard' natural numbers are nonstandard for you!

Huh -_-a. Does anyone have a quick rundown?

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