> Nope, I actually have empirical (and other) evidence.
You haven't provided any concrete evidence. Certainly no more than I have.
> But you cited unity as evidence for FP being superior for performance than OO
No, I provided it as evidence of OO being poor for performance and suggested that its new approach is closer to FP (i.e data centric). Perhaps a better example is Apache Spark or Google MapReduce for large scale data processing. Those frameworks are essentially FP, it's why lambdas were added to Java. So there's plenty of evidence that FP works for high performance.
> I did FP 30+ years ago and have been doing OO for around 40.
FP has matured a lot in 30 years. My point was that I have equal amounts of both and I have no reason to be biased. If you've done 40 years of mostly OOP, I'm not sure you can make the same claim.
> He was asked about scala, and said that if he would have to choose again today, he's not sure he would go with scala.
Scala is absolutely not a functional programming language and Odersky never claimed it was. It's primarily an object-oriented language with some functional features bolted on. Functions are not first-class and pervasive mutable state still exists. It would be just as unfair for me to judge OOP based on the shortcomings of C++.
> Because it works.
What do you mean "works"?
Yes I can get the job done in OOP, but it has all the problems I have tried to articulate previously.
> Fred Brooks is not an academic.
From the article you linked:
"In 1964, Brooks accepted an invitation to come to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and founded the University's computer science department. He chaired it for 20 years. As of 2013 he was still engaged in active research there"
So you are really splitting hairs here. Does it matter?
> It really helps to actually know something about people or approaches before dismissing out of hand.
Can we please refrain from personal insults and keep the debate civil. I have spent a decade reading the books and teachings of these people; and trying to apply their ideas in industry. I am not dismissing them out of hand - that's why I cite them sometimes. I could accuse you of doing the same for FP and its community, but I won't as it would be unfair.
You haven't provided any concrete evidence. Certainly no more than I have.
> But you cited unity as evidence for FP being superior for performance than OO
No, I provided it as evidence of OO being poor for performance and suggested that its new approach is closer to FP (i.e data centric). Perhaps a better example is Apache Spark or Google MapReduce for large scale data processing. Those frameworks are essentially FP, it's why lambdas were added to Java. So there's plenty of evidence that FP works for high performance.
> I did FP 30+ years ago and have been doing OO for around 40.
FP has matured a lot in 30 years. My point was that I have equal amounts of both and I have no reason to be biased. If you've done 40 years of mostly OOP, I'm not sure you can make the same claim.
> He was asked about scala, and said that if he would have to choose again today, he's not sure he would go with scala.
Scala is absolutely not a functional programming language and Odersky never claimed it was. It's primarily an object-oriented language with some functional features bolted on. Functions are not first-class and pervasive mutable state still exists. It would be just as unfair for me to judge OOP based on the shortcomings of C++.
> Because it works.
What do you mean "works"? Yes I can get the job done in OOP, but it has all the problems I have tried to articulate previously.
> Fred Brooks is not an academic.
From the article you linked: "In 1964, Brooks accepted an invitation to come to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and founded the University's computer science department. He chaired it for 20 years. As of 2013 he was still engaged in active research there"
So you are really splitting hairs here. Does it matter?
> It really helps to actually know something about people or approaches before dismissing out of hand.
Can we please refrain from personal insults and keep the debate civil. I have spent a decade reading the books and teachings of these people; and trying to apply their ideas in industry. I am not dismissing them out of hand - that's why I cite them sometimes. I could accuse you of doing the same for FP and its community, but I won't as it would be unfair.