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Comment by StandardFuture

> but have in fact existed in the so called 'West' for literally centuries

Yes, and that is backwards, uncivilized, and philosophically unsophisticated. It is quite literally beneath where we should be as a modern human civilization.

We defeat people saying things we disagree with with reason and not with fines.

There are many reasons why people fled many countries in the West to America in 1800s-1900s. One of them was to escape crony and corrupt authoritarianism in Europe and elsewhere at the time.

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