For the context: Haskell was 4th or 5th language I learnt and the first pure functional one. My graduation thesis work was in Haskell and its backend/compiler so at one point I was living/breathing Haskell.
> ...too often act like ivory towers...
I 100% agree with this. The Haskell community as a whole and various tutorials etc., aren't optimised for a new comer.
For instance, you don't see a "stand up a web app in Haskell in 10 minutes" tutorials. Historically it may have worked in Haskell's favour to slowly induct learners, but in this age where languages are fighting for mind space I don't agree that's a good approach anymore.
Simon Peyton Jones (SPJ), an earliest and a famous champion of Haskell coined the phrase "avoid success at all cost" in a certain context which may have had some role in making Haskell seem Ivory Towerish.
A language, like any living being, needs to adopt to survive and thrive. It's unfortunate to see Haskell remain a niche language even after close to 3 decades.
> and that simply is not how my brain is wired.
This, however, I disagree with. I mean in a general sense, not specific to how your brain is wired. It all depends on the first couple of language that one learns and how they are learnt and taught. 10-15 years ago people would find it hard to grok Python's functional concepts. But as it began to be taught as the first language in universities and those graduates join the working population you see how it's super natural for them to grok Python.
> ...too often act like ivory towers...
I 100% agree with this. The Haskell community as a whole and various tutorials etc., aren't optimised for a new comer.
For instance, you don't see a "stand up a web app in Haskell in 10 minutes" tutorials. Historically it may have worked in Haskell's favour to slowly induct learners, but in this age where languages are fighting for mind space I don't agree that's a good approach anymore.
Simon Peyton Jones (SPJ), an earliest and a famous champion of Haskell coined the phrase "avoid success at all cost" in a certain context which may have had some role in making Haskell seem Ivory Towerish.
A language, like any living being, needs to adopt to survive and thrive. It's unfortunate to see Haskell remain a niche language even after close to 3 decades.
> and that simply is not how my brain is wired.
This, however, I disagree with. I mean in a general sense, not specific to how your brain is wired. It all depends on the first couple of language that one learns and how they are learnt and taught. 10-15 years ago people would find it hard to grok Python's functional concepts. But as it began to be taught as the first language in universities and those graduates join the working population you see how it's super natural for them to grok Python.