Comment

Comment by graycat

BBQed pork? Okay, I'll chip in:

=== Qualifications

From age 5 to 22, I was in Memphis. I was there again from age 30 to 32.

At ballpark 8 ounces of pork BBQ a month, that would be

(1/2) * 12 * 20 = 120

pounds of pork BBQ consumed.

Dad often took me to the annual Winchester-Western gun show with fantastic shooting by Herb Parsons. Also featured was pork BBQ -- paper plates piled high with it, with coleslaw, potato salad, and some bread -- cooked overnight on racks over a temporary dug pit maybe 2 feet deep, 4 feet wide, and 50 yards long with smoldering wood, likely hickory.

With the BBQ contest Memphis in May, Memphis has some claims to significant, competitive pork BBQ expertise.

The Nathan Myhrvold winning efforts at Memphis in May contribute to the level of expertise.

Now I'm in East Tennessee, another area for serious pork BBQ.

And I've cooked my own versions of pork BBQ off and on for over 20 years.

=== Theory

From various readings, there is a theory of "low and slow" meat cooking including BBQ:

Part of the theory is that the meat fibers themselves are always tender. When meat is tough, the cause is collagen. So, to make tough meat tender, melt the collagen, and can do that at 165 F, a temperature that is also commonly regarded as high enough for food safety.

If get the meat fibers much above, say, 180 F for too long, then the fibers will shrink, expel their water, and become dry and brittle, that is, not succulent.

Generally, 212 F for very long is too darned hot. In practice often can get by with cooking meat at 212 F, that is, boiling it, if (A) the meat is quite tender and (B) don't have the meat at 212 F for very long.

So, my best guess is that BBQ is from cooking "low and slow", and the "low" is about 165-170 F, and the "slow" is several hours, until the meat is still juicy and quite tender, i.e., succulent.

=== Most Recent Trial

This HN OP is timely: On

Saturday, April 3rd, 2021

I bought a fresh "boneless pork butt" of 8.9 pounds, $21.72. That piece is also called Boston Butt. It is the shoulder of the hog.

I have a rack of stainless steel wires that can be adjusted to the shape of a V and a rectangular covered granite toasting pan

19.5 x 12.88 x 7"

=== Cooking

So, I put the pork on the V rack in the bottom of the roaster, inserted a meat thermometer into the pork, put on the top of the roaster, and placed the whole assembly into a pre-heated 225 F oven.

At 2.5 hours later the meat thermometer read 165 F. Then I reduced the oven temperature to 170 F and cooked for another 8 hours.

Then it appeared that the meat was quite tender and the fat, collagen, and water were in the bottom of the roasting pan.

=== Chopping

East Tennessee pork shoulder BBQ is pulled pork as mentioned in the OP. Here the fibers of the pork are separated via pulling with, say, two forks.

In West Tennessee, e.g., Memphis when I was there, the pork is coarsely chopped.

So, with a cooking fork and a cooking spoon, I moved the chunks of the pork one at a time to my cutting board and used a French chef's knife with a 12" long blade to coarsely chop the pork and used a spatula to shovel it into two covered plastic containers, each with 2 quarts of volume.

=== Yield

The weight of the final BBQ was

2,205 grams

and the volume, loosely packed, was about 4 quarts.

The raw weight of the pork was

8.09 * 16 * 28.3495 = 3,670 grams

so that the yield was

100 * 2,205 / 3,670 = 60.1%

which is surprisingly high.

The bottom of the roasting pan had about 1.5 quarts of liquid with about 5 fluid ounces of fat. Chilled, the fat did not become solid, and the liquid did not gel.

=== Cost per Serving

A generous serving of the BBQ is 8 ounces or

8 * 28.3495 = 227 grams

so that the total cooked weight of

2,205 grams

has

2,205 / 227 = 9.7

servings for

21.72 / 9.7 = $2.24

per serving.

=== Serving

In the cooking I added no salt, pepper, BBQ rubs, or other seasonings.

For serving, I warm in a microwave oven and add some bottle BBQ sauce and some bottled hot sauce.

=== Changes

(1) The boneless pork butt -- from the cutting to remove the bone -- had the meat falling apart in several pieces. In the future, I will buy only the bone-in version and cook it with the bone in.

(2) The 8 hours at 170 F may be too long -- shorter cooking might yield meat that is just as tender but more succulent, i.e., more moist.

(3) Generally I prefer to do pork BBQ cooking with a picnic pork shoulder. That cut is really from a front arm, has the elbow joint inside, and is usually sold with some of the skin still attached. With this cut, the meat may remain more moist as it melts out its collagen.

=== Extras

I have plans to do beef stew starting, NOT with relatively tender and expensive beef chuck roast but, with, say, beef bottom round roast. And I hope to save money by stepping down from USDA Prime and Choice to USDA Select or Cutters and Canners.

Retired dairy cows might be a good source, and once I called around to some packing houses and asked what happens to such cows. The short answer was "think fast food". The offer was to buy boxes of 50 pounds at a time! Maybe someday I will and have beef stew for family and friends for months!

A. Escoffier has a remark that the beef from older animals has better flavor. So, US fast food is getting the beef with the better flavor!

So, right, I intend to cook the beef at 165-170 F and NEVER let the stewing liquid boil (as long as the beef is in that liquid -- boiling later to reduce the volume to concentrate and strengthen flavors, sure).

Put the pot of stew in an oven at 350 F, or 225 F? Let the meat "simmer"? NOT a chance! Instead, 165-170 F and NO MORE.

Pork BBQ is often served with coleslaw. My recipe is to shred a head of green cabbage and then soak the result to desired wetness with just bottled Ranch salad dressing.

parent graycat 5 years ago

Discussion

Live from the official Hacker News API

A modern reader for Hacker News · SvelteKit + Skeleton