They sound like terrible managers.
If they are unable to evaluate your actual work, the only way they can evaluate you is based on your verbal contributions during a meeting.
As they are clearly unable to coach you, they are probably relying on you to coach the younger workers.
Just realize that each manager is looking for a different set of things. Some managers would be perfectly happy with you quietly writing applications well.
Nobody knows how to be a manager, and while some with encouragement can learn, some people either don't have the inclination or correct temperament.
I personally would never push someone into management or push the person out if that person was happiest as a individual contributor.
The world needs more makers, not more managers.
All the best!
If they are unable to evaluate your actual work, the only way they can evaluate you is based on your verbal contributions during a meeting.
As they are clearly unable to coach you, they are probably relying on you to coach the younger workers.
Just realize that each manager is looking for a different set of things. Some managers would be perfectly happy with you quietly writing applications well.
Nobody knows how to be a manager, and while some with encouragement can learn, some people either don't have the inclination or correct temperament.
I personally would never push someone into management or push the person out if that person was happiest as a individual contributor.
The world needs more makers, not more managers.
All the best!